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Title: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: wildmind on December 05, 2006, 04:27:39 pm
OK - There are several threads floating around and I figured it would be good to try and compile a single list of peoples speeds during Peak hours and Off Peak as well.

Could I please ask that discussion about speeds continue in other threads but we simply report speed tests as detailed below in this one so that the network guys can review this and get a picture of what is happening.

For consistency in all results could we all post the following info:

1) The Time the tests were taken and the Product you are on.

2) The Gateway in use (this can be found by visiting http://usertools.plus.net/@gateway)

3) A tracert to bbc.co.uk

4) Speedtests taken from http://www.speedtest.net using the Derby and the London Servers (post the images using the links they provide)

5) Using either DUMeter or NetMeter (http://www.metal-machine.de/readerror/NetMeter_v0999beta2.exe) (setup exe linked) show the graph when downloading the PUG Al Wyse Interview (http://usergroup.plus.net/video/PUGInterviewWithAlWyse.wmv) (it's sat on our server and if we all download the same file it should give a consistent image - remember to clear your cache before downloading this if you have already watched it - which I'm sure you will have done ;))

6) Post Router stats / synch speed where possible!

7) Also post any other information that may be relevant.


For the sake of collating info - any posts off topic will be moved elsewhere. I just think that it will be good to get as many people to provide as much info as possible - all relating to the same set of tests.





Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: wildmind on December 05, 2006, 04:56:15 pm
Time: 16:35
Product: PlusNet Premier Option 1 (No restrictions)
Gateway: PTE-AG1
Code:
Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  10.0.0.2
  2    28 ms    32 ms    25 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    23 ms    28 ms    25 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4     *       28 ms    27 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    29 ms    32 ms    24 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    32 ms    23 ms    29 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    29 ms    23 ms    27 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    24 ms    26 ms    29 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    29 ms    30 ms    28 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    31 ms    28 ms    24 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
Derby:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63628291.png)
London:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63628690.png)
PRTG Graph for Video download is attached.
Current line stats are:
Code:
SPEED   4256kbps  / 448kbps
SNR 8.0 dB / 8.5 dB
ATEN 46  dB / 23  dB



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: dtomlinson on December 05, 2006, 05:42:43 pm
Staff Broadband = Premier Option 1

Running over remote desktop, the Derby and London testers don't work properly this way but http://www.speedtest.bbmax.co.uk/ gives 4853kbps

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.83]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.0.1
  2    25 ms    22 ms    22 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.72]
  3    26 ms    22 ms    21 ms  ge0-0-0-504.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.90]
  4    23 ms    22 ms    26 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    24 ms    22 ms    22 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    23 ms    21 ms    22 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    25 ms    22 ms    26 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    23 ms    21 ms    25 ms  www53.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.83]

Will try it again and the rest when I get home.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: sdp on December 05, 2006, 05:50:58 pm
17:26, Premier Option 1. pte-ag1

 
Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.89]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     2 ms     2 ms     2 ms  t1
  2    65 ms    44 ms    47 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    69 ms    52 ms    52 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    61 ms    40 ms    57 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    61 ms    58 ms    44 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    64 ms    47 ms    50 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    43 ms    44 ms    43 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    60 ms    41 ms    40 ms  www.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.89]

Trace complete.


Derby (http://www.speedtest.net/result/63643393.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63643761.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Router stats:
Us Rate (Kbps) 448
Ds Rate (Kbps) 6656 (BRAS = 5500)
US Margin 27
DS Margin 6


The wmv download goes at ~40kbps.



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: cs51oh on December 05, 2006, 05:55:16 pm
We as a business customer looking to move elsewhere - we can't carry on like this... Please let me know if you'd like anymore tests done.

PlusNet Business Premier up to 8Mb

DownStream Connection Speed 8128 kbps
UpStream Connection Speed 832 kbps

Guildford Exchange - Green Light, BRAS profile: 8000

Connected straight to router with no other traffic

Results taken at: 17:58

http://www.speedtest.bbmax.co.uk/
Download Speed: 996 kbps (124.5 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 590 kbps (73.8 KB/sec transfer rate)

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest.html
Speed Up 260.15 Kbps ( 0.3 Mbps )
Speed Down 796.90 Kbps ( 0.8 Mbps )

http://www.speedtest.net/
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63649603.png)

C:\Documents and Settings\Oliver Hicks>tracert bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  www.routerlogin.com [192.168.0.1]
  2    13 ms    10 ms    15 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.53]
  3    11 ms    10 ms     9 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.106]
  4    10 ms    11 ms     9 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5     9 ms    11 ms    10 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    10 ms    10 ms    13 ms  212.58.238.149
  7    12 ms    10 ms    10 ms  212.58.238.33
  8    13 ms    22 ms    10 ms  pos6-0.rt0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.30]
  9    10 ms    15 ms    21 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

C:\Documents and Settings\Oliver Hicks>



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Moose on December 05, 2006, 06:01:03 pm
Time 17.50
Product BB+
Gateway ptn-ag1

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.240.34]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    35 ms    47 ms    43 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.123]
  3    37 ms    37 ms    35 ms  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.17]
  4    35 ms    34 ms    36 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    38 ms    35 ms    35 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    35 ms    38 ms    41 ms  212.58.238.133
  7    39 ms    35 ms    36 ms  212.58.238.33
  8   108 ms   108 ms   113 ms  212.58.255.193
  9   111 ms   109 ms   111 ms  www4.thny.bbc.co.uk [212.58.240.34]

Trace complete.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63650313.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

URL=http://www.speedtest.net](http://www.speedtest.net/result/63650888.png)[/URL]

Sync speed 2752   stable rate 2500

Connection Status         Connected
Us Rate (Kbps)         448
Ds Rate (Kbps)         2752
US Margin         20
DS Margin         12

will download that file in a while

Browsing is very slow, streaming is buffering every 10 secs or so, Gaming is very laggy


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: OldDave on December 05, 2006, 06:16:34 pm
17:29 PAYG 15GB Special offer
Gateway PTN-AG1
route to www.bbc.co.uk
  1     1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  mygateway.ar7 [192.168.1.1]
  2    16 ms    25 ms    12 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.123]
  3    13 ms    25 ms    12 ms  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.17]
  4    13 ms    13 ms    16 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    13 ms    23 ms    12 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    16 ms    12 ms    15 ms  212.58.238.149
  7    18 ms    12 ms    15 ms  212.58.238.33
  8    85 ms    85 ms    86 ms  212.58.255.193
  9    87 ms    86 ms    84 ms  www.bbc.co.uk [212.58.240.120]


(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63644136.png)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63643352.png)
Router Stats
Speed 8128 /448
Margin  6/27
Attn 29/25


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: julesp1970 on December 05, 2006, 06:26:20 pm
Speedtests:-

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63657696.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63657908.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Gateway:-

[bold]You are currently connected to the "Telehouse East, Juniper 3" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as pte-ag1.[/bold]


Tracert:-

[bold]
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Julie & Jim>tracert www.bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.35]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.0.1
  2    25 ms    25 ms    24 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    36 ms    23 ms    24 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    24 ms    22 ms    22 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    25 ms    28 ms    24 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    25 ms    22 ms    26 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    23 ms    26 ms    23 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    24 ms    27 ms    23 ms  www5.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.35]

Trace complete.[/bold]


router stats;-

[bold]Port Status TxPkts RxPkts Collisions Tx B/s Rx B/s Up Time
WAN PPPoA 295467 384896 0 172 1260 89:32:28
LAN 10M/100M 409953 327466 0 1278 201 89:33:50
WLAN 11M/54M 0 0 0 0 0 00:00:00
 

ADSL Link Downstream Upstream
Connection Speed 5536 kbps 448 kbps
Line Attenuation 31.0 db 18.0 db
Noise Margin 7.4 db 22.0 db [/bold]

as for doing the Video link it wouldn't work.

Using Plus.net DSL Max Plus
 









Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: maz6486 on December 05, 2006, 06:28:46 pm
Product:- PAYG
Time :- 17.50-18.20
Gateway :- pte-ag1.

Router Stats

Type Fast
Status No Defect
                 Downstream     Upstream   
Data rate (Kbps)   3968           448 
Noise margin (dB)   5.1          20.0 
Output power (dBm) 18.9          11.8 
Attenuation (dB)   44.0          27.0 

Stable Rate :- 3000


Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  10.0.0.138
  2    15 ms    13 ms    13 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    13 ms    14 ms    13 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    14 ms    12 ms    13 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    14 ms    12 ms    14 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    13 ms    14 ms    14 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    18 ms    13 ms    13 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    17 ms    14 ms    13 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    14 ms    15 ms    16 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    14 ms    14 ms    16 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63650384.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63651052.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

I'm on a rural exchange and was originally told ADSL was out of reach. When I was MAX'd my Speedtouch 510 router was reconnecting upto 90 times a day and the connection was unusable. Read around a bit and bought a Belkin 7633 to replace it and connection has been rock steady since.

Hope this info helps.

Mark




Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: LC100 on December 05, 2006, 06:34:45 pm
Hi

Seems better today so far, on LLU PAYG, router syncs ADSL2+ at 8156/620, gateway thn-ag1.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63660671.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.124]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  my.router [192.168.0.1]
  2    37 ms    37 ms    33 ms  lo0-plusnet.thn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.80]
  3    33 ms    39 ms    34 ms  vl303.thn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.177]
  4    34 ms    36 ms    33 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    34 ms    37 ms    35 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    35 ms    35 ms    34 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    35 ms    33 ms    34 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    35 ms    33 ms    36 ms  www.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.124]


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jelv1 on December 05, 2006, 06:35:03 pm
PAYG 8M solid sync - stable rate 8000

Gateway: ptn-ag2

Code:
Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  dg834 [192.168.0.1]
  2    16 ms    13 ms    20 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.53]
  3    18 ms    11 ms    11 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.106]
  4    13 ms    13 ms    13 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    15 ms    14 ms    17 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  212.58.238.133
  7    11 ms    14 ms    12 ms  212.58.238.36
  8    14 ms    16 ms    12 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
  9    13 ms    14 ms    15 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63658847.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63659114.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)




Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: fenlandbroadband on December 05, 2006, 06:52:38 pm
18:42 5th December 2006   

PlusNet Premier Option 1, Max 8Mbps.

Telehouse East, Juniper 4

Code:
Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.85]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.1.1
  2    13 ms    14 ms    14 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.72]
  3    13 ms    14 ms    12 ms  ge0-0-0-504.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.89]
  4    13 ms    17 ms    13 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    15 ms    12 ms    13 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    13 ms    12 ms    13 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    15 ms     *       13 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    13 ms    15 ms    13 ms  www40.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.85]

Trace complete.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63664583.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63665666.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

5) are either of these full/free? I've heard of both but thought they were both shareware/trials?

DSL Status :   Up     
DSL Modulation Mode :   GDMT     
DSL Path Mode :   FAST     
Downstream Rate :   8128 Kbps     
Upstream Rate :   448 Kbps     
Downstream Margin :   11 db     
Upstream Margin :   22 db     
Downstream Line Attenuation :   8     
Upstream Line Attenuation :   6

Exchange is "green" on the Usertools checker.

BT Speedtest using speedtest@speedtest_domain login at 18:49 gave

5587Kbps


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: chesterfield on December 05, 2006, 06:54:19 pm
1) Time and product: Tuesday 5th dec 18.30pm, Located in Chesterfield, on BB+

2) The Gateway in use: PTN-AG1

3) A tracert to bbc.co.uk:

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     2 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.1.1
  2    46 ms    41 ms    40 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.1
  3    43 ms    41 ms    41 ms  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.1
  4    41 ms    41 ms    41 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    40 ms    41 ms    41 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    42 ms    42 ms    43 ms  212.58.238.149
  7    41 ms    43 ms    43 ms  212.58.238.36
  8    43 ms    43 ms    45 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254
  9    43 ms    42 ms    44 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

4) Speedtests taken from http://www.speedtest.net using the Derby and the London Servers (post the images using the links they provide):

DERBY:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63663492.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

LONDON:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63663987.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

5) Using either DUMeter or NetMeter:
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j225/chesterfield350z/speed.jpg)

Cant be bothered to download the entire thing, but heres about 5 minutes worth.

6) Post Router stats / synch speed where possible!:

Downstream connection speed: 4064 kbps
Upstream Connection speed: 448 kbps
Noise Margin: 6.2 db down, 19db up
Attenuation 57db down, 30db up

7) Also post any other information that may be relevant.

I have been informed that a Network Engineer at PN has acknowledged the Ellacoyas cannot process packets fast enough during full load, hence the latency we experience as gamers.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Firejack on December 05, 2006, 07:09:36 pm
Time: 19:00
Product: Premier Option 1
Gateway: pte-ag1
Code:
C:\Documents and Settings\Andrew>tracert www.bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.126]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.2.70
  2    31 ms    27 ms    24 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    26 ms    26 ms    26 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    28 ms    28 ms    25 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    26 ms    27 ms    26 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    27 ms    25 ms    26 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    26 ms    25 ms    27 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    29 ms    43 ms    26 ms  www26.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.126]

Trace complete.

C:\Documents and Settings\Andrew>


(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63670957.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63671288.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Code:
Modem Status
  Connection Status Connected
  Upstream Rate (Kbps) 448
  Downstream Rate (Kbps) 4768
  US Margin 21
  DS Margin 2
  Modulation GDMT
  LOS Errors 0
  DS Line Attenuation 48
  US Line Attenuation 54
  Path Mode Interleaved

Exchange: Chester North (Red Status)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 05, 2006, 07:11:04 pm
Time: 18:33 onwards

Product: Premier Option 1.

Gateway: pte-ag1

Tracert to bbc.co.uk:

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    47 ms    45 ms    50 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    69 ms    44 ms    44 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    45 ms    46 ms    46 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    46 ms    46 ms    48 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    46 ms    47 ms    46 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    48 ms    48 ms    47 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    46 ms    47 ms    45 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    47 ms    47 ms    49 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    47 ms    48 ms    45 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63664603.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63665018.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

AL Wyse interview:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Al_Wyse200612051833.jpg)

Router stats:

US bit rate: 448 kbps interleaved
DS bit rate: 8128 kbps interleaved
US noise margin upstream: 26 db
DS noise margin downstream: 11 db


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: chrisofcov on December 05, 2006, 07:12:15 pm
18:55+ - Premier Option 1 DSLMax 800 (stable Rate 7000)
ptn-ag2

Code:
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Chris>tracert bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    48 ms    35 ms    41 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.53]
  3    35 ms    34 ms    34 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.105]
  4    35 ms    36 ms    36 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    33 ms    34 ms    34 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    35 ms    35 ms    34 ms  212.58.238.133
  7    34 ms    34 ms    37 ms  212.58.238.33
  8    38 ms    35 ms    39 ms  pos6-0.rt0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.30]
  9    35 ms    34 ms    34 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

London -

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63668645.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Derby -

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63669071.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

NetMeter graph attached.

Router Stats -

DownstreamsUpstream
SNR Margin15.426.0dB
Line Autention24.913.5dB
Data Rate7616448kbps
LatencyInterleavedInterleaved


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: paul2002 on December 05, 2006, 07:29:59 pm
Premier Option 1 DSLMax 8000 (stable Rate 1000)
"Telehouse North, Juniper 2" gateway


Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.227.74]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  my.router [192.168.1.1]
  2    42 ms    49 ms    45 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.53]
  3    41 ms    41 ms    43 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.105]
  4    38 ms    38 ms    42 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    38 ms    38 ms    41 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    39 ms    41 ms    38 ms  212.58.238.133
  7    40 ms    40 ms    40 ms  212.58.238.141
  8    39 ms    39 ms    39 ms  www.bbc.co.uk [212.58.227.74]

Trace complete.
London
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63676104.png)

Derby
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63676749.png)

Netmeter attached as I have no idea to embed it!

Router
ADSL Information       (ADSL Firmware Version:  E.38.2.23 ) 
  ATM Statistics TX Blocks RX Blocks Corrected Blocks Uncorrected Blocks
                  24070288 25537139    36841                  18

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
  ADSL Status Mode State Up Speed Down Speed SNR Margin Loop Att.
         G.DMT SHOWTIME    448000 1984000      18.5      47.0



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Oldjim on December 05, 2006, 07:36:43 pm
PAYG DSLMax stable rate 3000kbps interleaved - time 19.35
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63679972.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63681958.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
Quote
Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    94 ms    99 ms    99 ms  speedtouch.lan [192.168.1.254]
  2    40 ms    38 ms    38 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.]
  3    46 ms    40 ms    38 ms  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.18]
  4    39 ms    39 ms    38 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    39 ms    37 ms    42 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    39 ms    38 ms    42 ms  212.58.238.133
  7    41 ms    38 ms    40 ms  212.58.238.33
  8    43 ms    38 ms    38 ms  pos6-0.rt0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.30]
  9    39 ms    38 ms    39 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
Note - ignore the first hop - that is a Speedtouch foible
Funny - I always get worse results from London


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: hitachi on December 05, 2006, 07:46:39 pm
Hi

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    76 ms    99 ms    99 ms  speedtouch.lan [192.168.1.254]
  2    16 ms    26 ms    15 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.72]
  3    17 ms    17 ms    15 ms  ge0-0-0-504.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.89]
  4    16 ms    16 ms    17 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    15 ms    15 ms    16 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    16 ms    19 ms    17 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    18 ms    15 ms    15 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    15 ms    15 ms    14 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    17 ms    17 ms    18 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    17 ms    16 ms    19 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63683325.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63683067.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k19/dino66uk/Image.jpg)

Time: 7.42 p.m.
Gateway:PTE AG2
Service:Premier Option 1

Connection:  448 up  8128 down
Attenuation: 3.0 up  2.0  down
S/N          21. up  8.5  down
          


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Slinky Wizard on December 05, 2006, 07:53:44 pm
Time: 19:38
Product: Premier Option 1, No Restrictions
Gateway: ptn-ag2

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.125]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  router.mayl.home.uk [192.168.0.254]
  2    24 ms    27 ms    27 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.53]
  3    21 ms    27 ms    20 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.105]
  4    23 ms    25 ms    23 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    23 ms    22 ms    24 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    23 ms    21 ms    24 ms  212.58.238.133
  7    21 ms    21 ms    22 ms  www25.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.125]

Derby:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63682700.png)

London:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63683270.png)

Download of WMV file (got bored after 25% took nearly 5 minutes :x :
(http://www.mayl.co.uk/download.JPG)

Router Info:
DSL Parameters and Status
Vendor ID: 00B5GSPN 
Revision Number: T93.3.38 
Serial Number: Solwise-260304 
Local Tx Power: 11.75 dB
Remote Tx Power: 13.69 dB
Local Line Atten.: 5.5 dB
Remote Line Atten.: 6.0 dB
Local SNR Margin: 9.0 dB
Remote SNR Margin: 19.0 dB
Self Test: Passed 
DSL Standard: G.dmt 
Trellis Coding: Enable 
Framing Structure: Framing-3 

448 up 8128 down


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: asimons on December 05, 2006, 08:06:13 pm
19:00 5 Dec 06 Ropley, Hampshire.

BB Premier

You are currently connected to the "Telehouse East, Juniper 3" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as pte-ag1.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63669872.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63671202.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)


Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155] over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  my.router [192.168.123.1]
  2    21 ms    21 ms    14 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    18 ms    14 ms    15 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.1]
  4    17 ms    14 ms    15 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    16 ms    14 ms    17 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    16 ms    21 ms    17 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    14 ms    14 ms    13 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    16 ms    18 ms    18 ms  212.58.238.33
  9    15 ms    15 ms    13 ms  pos6-0.rt0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.30]
 10    19 ms    17 ms    17 ms  bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

(http://www.asimons.co.uk/netmeter.png)

ADSL Status    
Mode    State        Up Speed    Down Speed    SNR Margin    Loop Att.
G.DMT   SHOWTIME    448000   7072000           6.0           26.5


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jelv1 on December 05, 2006, 08:34:44 pm
5) are either of these full/free? I've heard of both but thought they were both shareware/trials?

From the NetMeter website:
Quote
NetMeter is a small, customizable network bandwidth monitoring program for Windows 95/98/98SE/ME/NT4/2000/XP. NetMeter is and will always stay freeware.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: fenlandbroadband on December 05, 2006, 08:36:36 pm
20:30 5th December 2006

Telehouse East, Juniper 4

Code:
tracert www.bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.226.232]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.1.1
  2    14 ms    13 ms    13 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.72]
  3    13 ms    17 ms    14 ms  ge0-0-0-504.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.90]
  4    14 ms    18 ms    18 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    16 ms    14 ms    14 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    17 ms    13 ms    17 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    16 ms    13 ms    13 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    13 ms    14 ms    13 ms  212.58.238.141
  9    14 ms    16 ms    15 ms  212.58.226.232

Trace complete.

Speedtest.net is taking an age to load (must be my slow connection.......) and isn't showing any testing locations on the map when the page has loaded.

A test on the BT Speedtest tool gives:

157Kbps

All other details (package type, sync speed, etc are all the same as before)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: bigduke on December 05, 2006, 08:43:54 pm
1) Time 8:04pm (05/12/06)
   Product PlusNet Broadband Premier Option 1

2) Gateway pte-ag1

3) Tracing route to www.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.125]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  . [192.168.1.1]
  2    57 ms    50 ms    46 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    53 ms    47 ms    46 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    49 ms    46 ms    49 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    48 ms    47 ms    49 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    49 ms    48 ms    51 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    47 ms    51 ms    50 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    47 ms    53 ms    48 ms  www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.125]

Trace complete.

4) Derby

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63697479.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63697891.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

5) See Attachment

6) Router Data

Stream Type  Interleaved Channel Data Rate
Up Stream    448 (Kbps.)
Down Stream  6496 (Kbps.)

Operation Data  Upstream  Downstream
Noise Margin    27 dB     12.5 dB
Output Power    11.5 dBm  20 dBm
Attenuation     14 dB     30 dB
 
7) Tests Completed at 8:40pm
   Never had any problems with PlusNet before
   First noticed current problems yesterday 4th December 2006


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jelv1 on December 05, 2006, 08:46:51 pm
Repeated tests at 20:35. These results are dire compared with earlier! As I'm on PAYG should I see such a drop?

PAYG 8MB sync & stable rate

Now on pte-ag1

Code:
Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  dg834 [192.168.0.1]
  2    15 ms    16 ms    20 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    12 ms    11 ms    11 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    12 ms    15 ms    13 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    13 ms    12 ms    13 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    15 ms    12 ms    13 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    13 ms    13 ms    12 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    12 ms    13 ms    15 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    13 ms    13 ms    13 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    14 ms    14 ms    14 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63701007.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63701245.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: fenlandbroadband on December 05, 2006, 08:47:46 pm
5) are either of these full/free? I've heard of both but thought they were both shareware/trials?

From the NetMeter website:
Quote
NetMeter is a small, customizable network bandwidth monitoring program for Windows 95/98/98SE/ME/NT4/2000/XP. NetMeter is and will always stay freeware.

Thank you. 601KB installer downloaded in 34 seconds at 17.6KB/sec  :roll:

Like another poster, I'm also not going to download the whole video for this test (I've already seen it) but my results are attached after a couple of minutes of downloading. I'm sure you can see the rough idea of what the speeds are like from the graph/IE7 download info window.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: dtomlinson on December 05, 2006, 08:54:16 pm
pte-ag2 around 20:30

Staff Broadband (Premier Option 1)

Sync: 8128kbps

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63698024.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63698801.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator>tracert www.bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.83]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     2 ms   <10 ms   <10 ms  192.168.0.1
  2    22 ms    48 ms    29 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.72]
  3    21 ms    25 ms    21 ms  ge0-0-0-504.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.90]
  4    22 ms    21 ms    20 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    22 ms    21 ms    20 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    22 ms    23 ms    21 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    24 ms    22 ms    21 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    22 ms    21 ms    23 ms  www53.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.83]

Trace complete.

Downloading latest version of iTunes now which is coming down at just under 200KB/s.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: kitz on December 05, 2006, 09:02:56 pm
Juniper 3


Code:
43 ms    38 ms    38 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]

BBMax Speedtest 4508 kbps
12/5/2006 7:13 PM GMT 4222 kb/s 692 kb/s 80 ms Derby

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63674070.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

BTw Speedtests

4993 kilo bits per second
5108 kilo bits per second
4780 kilo bits per second  

Juniper 1   


Code:
41 ms    40 ms    37 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.123]



(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63703804.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63704465.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

PUG video


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jelv1 on December 05, 2006, 09:10:21 pm
Edit: Whoops - trying again below.



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: godsell4 on December 05, 2006, 09:13:13 pm

[1] 21:05 PAYG 15GB Special Offer

[2] and [3]
Tracing route to portal.plus.net [212.159.8.137]

  1     2 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.0.55
  2    35 ms    32 ms    46 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    49 ms    38 ms    32 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.1]
  4    31 ms    30 ms    37 ms  ge1-0-0-23.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.17]
  5    32 ms    33 ms    30 ms  gi0-2-32.ptc-gw1.plus.net [195.166.129.10]
  6    39 ms    41 ms    41 ms  se3-0.pih-gw1.plus.net [195.166.129.250]
  7    41 ms    45 ms    40 ms  vlan8.pih-gw4.plus.net [212.159.0.30]
  8    43 ms    41 ms    40 ms  pih-al4.plus.net [212.159.1.36]
  9    39 ms    38 ms    41 ms  portal.plus.net [212.159.8.137]

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.87]

  1     2 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.0.55
  2    38 ms    32 ms    30 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    30 ms    30 ms    32 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.1]
  4    29 ms    29 ms    31 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    29 ms    33 ms    30 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    33 ms    33 ms    29 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    32 ms    31 ms    30 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    29 ms    29 ms    30 ms  www50.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.87]

[4] Derby
 http://www.speedtest.net/result/63709690.png
    London
http://www.speedtest.net/result/63710159.png

[5] Sorry MacOS. Firefox showed that .wmv file downloading at 122-130KB/s.

[6] Netgear DG834Gv2 2Mb MaxDSL, synced @ 2816kb/s 5dB SNR.

All my connection speed problems have come and gone since the power outage at Telehouse North. When PN have placed my line on Titanium only, all my gaming issues stopped!

SW.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 05, 2006, 09:16:37 pm
2nd test (earlier one at 18:33 posted at 19:11)

Time: 20:55 onwards

Product: Premier Option 1.

Gateway: pte-ag1

Tracert to bbc.co.uk:

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    47 ms    46 ms    45 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    53 ms    44 ms    44 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    44 ms    45 ms    45 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    45 ms    46 ms    45 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    46 ms    45 ms    45 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    48 ms    45 ms    46 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    48 ms    46 ms    45 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    50 ms    48 ms    51 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    48 ms    47 ms    49 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63707157.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63707494.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

AL Wyse interview:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Al_Wyse200612052105.jpg)

Router stats:

US bit rate: 448 kbps interleaved
DS bit rate: 8128 kbps interleaved
US noise margin upstream: 26 db
DS noise margin downstream: 12 db

Things have definitely deteriorated since 18:33


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jelv1 on December 05, 2006, 09:20:49 pm
Now back on ptn-ag2 - tests between 20:55 & 21:10

Code:
Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  dg834 [192.168.0.1]
  2    13 ms    14 ms    14 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.53]
  3    13 ms    11 ms    12 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.106]
  4    12 ms    16 ms    11 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    13 ms    15 ms    14 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    13 ms    13 ms    16 ms  212.58.238.133
  7    15 ms    12 ms    11 ms  212.58.238.36
  8    14 ms    15 ms    13 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
  9    13 ms    16 ms    15 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63707899.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Just look at this:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63708260.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

I then did the interview download twice - image below. Compare this with my first test here (http://usergroup.plus.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3904.0;attach=432;image)

Then because the Derby test was so poor I repeated it:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63710718.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

The speeds I am getting at the moment are all over the place. That is highly indicative of a system that is running on the bleeding edge - just a small amount extra and a massive effect is seen.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Oldjim on December 05, 2006, 09:35:51 pm
Latest results 21.30 PAYG 3000kbps stable rate
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63718531.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63719141.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
Quote
Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    90 ms    99 ms    99 ms  speedtouch.lan [192.168.1.254]
  2    39 ms    40 ms    39 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.]
  3    50 ms    42 ms    38 ms  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.18]
  4    40 ms    39 ms    37 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    39 ms    38 ms    40 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    88 ms    39 ms    50 ms  212.58.238.133
  7    39 ms    39 ms    40 ms  212.58.238.33
  8    39 ms    40 ms    40 ms  pos6-0.rt0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.30]
  9    40 ms    39 ms    39 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: godsell4 on December 05, 2006, 09:56:55 pm

Currently download a .iso from

http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/knoppix/

Yields a marvelous 12KB/s according to Firefox.

2nd hop on  pte-ag1 has increased to 70ms from previous 40ms.

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.86]

  1     2 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.0.55
  2    70 ms    67 ms    63 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    29 ms    29 ms    28 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    30 ms    33 ms    29 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    29 ms    31 ms    34 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    33 ms    30 ms    30 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    30 ms    34 ms    33 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    29 ms    30 ms    31 ms  www41.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.86]

There are no 'known problems', but we dont know if we have any unknown problems!
 - D. Rumsfeld

SW.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Oldjim on December 05, 2006, 10:12:22 pm
just tried the same link and also this an ftp download
in both cases I got between 50 and 60 KBps
(link was broken so deleted it)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: _CN_ on December 05, 2006, 10:15:26 pm
just tried the same link and also a ubunto iso file in both cases I got between 50 and 60 KBps

I also get 60KB.  Note that will not be seen as an HTTP download but an FTP transaction.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: godsell4 on December 05, 2006, 10:18:04 pm
Browse around http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ and find files ending in .dmg or .exe and they download at +160KB/s for me, it is just .iso files that are slow.

Derby on speedtest.net now maxes out my connection at 1950kb/s and London is 1500kb/s.

SW.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jelv1 on December 05, 2006, 10:20:04 pm
I'm also getting around 60 on my PAYG connection - gateway ptn-ag2.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: _CN_ on December 05, 2006, 10:21:27 pm

2nd hop on  pte-ag1 has increased to 70ms from previous 40ms.

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.86]

  2    70 ms    67 ms    63 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]


 Host                                Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst StDev
 2. lo0-plusnet.pte-ag2.plus.net      0.0%    62   48.7  68.1  45.4 305.3  48.8
 3. ge0-0-0-504.pte-gw2.plus.net      0.0%    62   48.6  51.2  46.2  90.1   5.9
 4. ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net       1.6%    61   49.7  51.3  46.1  81.1   5.7
 5. gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net         0.0%    61   51.9  50.3  45.2  55.5   2.5
 6. rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk                1.6%    61   50.4  56.0  47.5 242.7  27.6
 7. 212.58.238.149                    1.6%    61   48.9  53.0  46.6 187.7  18.0
 8. www53.thdo.bbc.co.uk              1.6%    61   53.7  51.4  46.3  69.4   3.6


It's the last hop that matters.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: _CN_ on December 05, 2006, 10:24:12 pm
It's the last hop that matters.

$ ping www53.thdo.bbc.co.uk
PING www53.thdo.bbc.co.uk (212.58.224.83): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 212.58.224.83: icmp_seq=0 ttl=249 time=51.480 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.224.83: icmp_seq=1 ttl=249 time=51.041 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.224.83: icmp_seq=2 ttl=249 time=50.876 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.224.83: icmp_seq=3 ttl=249 time=51.402 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.224.83: icmp_seq=4 ttl=249 time=52.019 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.224.83: icmp_seq=5 ttl=249 time=57.963 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.224.83: icmp_seq=6 ttl=249 time=48.503 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.224.83: icmp_seq=7 ttl=249 time=49.654 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.224.83: icmp_seq=8 ttl=249 time=52.144 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.224.83: icmp_seq=9 ttl=249 time=52.936 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.224.83: icmp_seq=10 ttl=249 time=48.667 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.224.83: icmp_seq=11 ttl=249 time=50.901 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.224.83: icmp_seq=12 ttl=249 time=52.345 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.224.83: icmp_seq=13 ttl=249 time=51.600 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.224.83: icmp_seq=14 ttl=249 time=51.100 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.224.83: icmp_seq=15 ttl=249 time=48.808 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.224.83: icmp_seq=16 ttl=249 time=53.162 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.224.83: icmp_seq=17 ttl=249 time=53.926 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.224.83: icmp_seq=18 ttl=249 time=49.964 ms
64 bytes from 212.58.224.83: icmp_seq=19 ttl=249 time=50.992 ms


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: evolve on December 05, 2006, 10:24:21 pm
Time: 10:10 pm
Product : Premier 1
Gateway : Telehouse East, Juniper 4" gateway - pte-ag2.

BBC Trace route
Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  www.routerlogin.com [192.168.0.1]
  2    29 ms    30 ms    38 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.72]
  3    29 ms    33 ms    28 ms  ge0-0-0-504.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.90]
  4    32 ms    33 ms    31 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    32 ms    30 ms    30 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    32 ms    29 ms    30 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    31 ms    29 ms    29 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    29 ms    28 ms    29 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    32 ms    29 ms    33 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    30 ms    29 ms    30 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Speed Tests
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63728911.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63729417.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Video
Video download max of 398K

Router Stats
Connection Speed     8128 kbps     448 kbps
Line Attenuation    33 db    10 db
Noise Margin    5 db    22 db

Stable rate of 8000


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Oldjim on December 05, 2006, 10:28:45 pm
Derby now maxes out connection at 2950 and London is 2759
Same as last night


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jelv1 on December 05, 2006, 10:31:24 pm
Tests at about 22:25 - PAYG - ptn-ag2

Code:
Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  dg834 [192.168.0.1]
  2    14 ms    14 ms    18 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.53]
  3    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.106]
  4    14 ms    13 ms    11 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    12 ms    12 ms    14 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    17 ms    11 ms    17 ms  212.58.238.133
  7    12 ms    12 ms    11 ms  212.58.238.36
  8    14 ms    13 ms    15 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
  9    12 ms    15 ms    13 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63735538.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63735786.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Tam on December 05, 2006, 11:07:09 pm
Time test started: 22:35
Product: Business Premier 8Mb
Gateway: "Telehouse East, Juniper 4" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as pte-ag2

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  router-gw.xxxx.co.uk [212.56.xxx.xx]
  2    32 ms    26 ms    27 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.72]
  3    26 ms    29 ms    26 ms  ge0-0-0-504.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.89]
  4    27 ms    25 ms    27 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    24 ms    24 ms    24 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    26 ms    27 ms    26 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    30 ms    24 ms    26 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    25 ms    28 ms    27 ms  212.58.238.161
  9    29 ms    26 ms    26 ms  212.58.226.232
Trace complete.


Next stage is the speed tests, which i'm proud to say I will do in 1Hour 04 mins when the flash player (a whole 1.3mb worth) is downloaded! ( Screen cap can be found at http://www.tamlync.com/support/crapspeed.jpg )

NEXT!


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: portmoak on December 05, 2006, 11:08:05 pm
An outstanding result tonight by recent standards so something good has been done:

Approx 10:45, PAYG, stable sync rate 5400.

"Telehouse North, Juniper 1" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as ptn-ag1.

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  mygateway.ADAMSON [192.168.1.1]
  2    47 ms    43 ms    46 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.123]
  3    43 ms    41 ms    45 ms  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.17]
  4    43 ms    42 ms    42 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    43 ms    42 ms    44 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    43 ms    43 ms    43 ms  212.58.238.149
  7    42 ms    41 ms    43 ms  212.58.238.36
  8    47 ms    43 ms    44 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
  9    45 ms    43 ms    44 ms  bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63743269.png)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63743729.png)

Interview download speed fairly constant at >500k
(http://www.theadamsons.co.uk/images/graph.png)

Stats:
DSL Status
  Connection Status Connected
  Upstream Rate (Kbps) 448
  Downstream Rate (Kbps) 5504
  US Margin 27
  DS Margin 6
  Modulation MMODE
  LOS Errors 0
  DS Line Attenuation 34
  US Line Attenuation 34
  Path Mode Interleaved
  
DSL Statistics
  Near End F4 Loop Back Count 0
  Near End F5 Loop Back Count 0

<edit> to add the streaming graph which I couldn't do last night because of DNS problems</edit>


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 05, 2006, 11:16:30 pm
3rd test (earlier ones at 18:33 posted at 19:11 and 20:55 posted at 21:16)

Time: 23:00 onwards

Product: Premier Option 1.

Gateway: pte-ag1

Tracert to bbc.co.uk:

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    51 ms    47 ms    45 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    46 ms    46 ms    47 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    46 ms    45 ms    46 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    47 ms    47 ms    46 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    45 ms    48 ms    47 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    46 ms    46 ms    47 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    48 ms    45 ms    45 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    47 ms    48 ms    47 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    49 ms    47 ms    49 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63747351.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63747600.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

AL Wyse interview:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Al_Wyse200612052305.jpg)

Router stats:

US bit rate: 448 kbps interleaved
DS bit rate: 8128 kbps interleaved
US noise margin upstream: 26 db
DS noise margin downstream: 11 db

Better than earlier tests!


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: terminal on December 06, 2006, 12:53:22 am
time: 6/12/06 00:41
product: "premier" 1 (LLU'ed)
gateway: thn-ag1
tracert:
  1     2 ms     6 ms     9 ms  192.168.0.1
  2    30 ms    29 ms    30 ms  lo0-plusnet.thn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.80]
  3    30 ms    30 ms    28 ms  vl303.thn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.177]
  4    32 ms    29 ms    30 ms  ge1-0-0-23.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.17]
  5    30 ms    31 ms    29 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    33 ms    33 ms    35 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    30 ms    28 ms    30 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    30 ms    29 ms    30 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    31 ms    31 ms    34 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    33 ms    36 ms    33 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

speed test:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63775156.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

router stats:
sync 8157 / 639 kbps 
Attenuation 22 / 4 db 
noise margin 13 / 12 db



usual speed test (on 4/12/06 22:00)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63440998.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

So, has anyone started a book on when PlusNet will admit it is their problem? Based on previous problems with LLU and DNS it will take a couple of days to admit they have a problem and a couple of weeks (or months with LLU) before they fix it



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 06, 2006, 01:26:52 am
4th test
(earlier ones, yesterday, 18:33 posted at 19:11, 20:55 posted at 21:16 and 23:00 posted at 23:16)

Time: 01:10 onwards

Product: Premier Option 1.

Gateway: pte-ag1

Tracert to bbc.co.uk:

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    46 ms    47 ms    48 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    58 ms    45 ms    44 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    45 ms    43 ms    45 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    45 ms    46 ms    45 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    46 ms    47 ms    46 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    45 ms    45 ms    46 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    46 ms    46 ms    46 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    47 ms    46 ms    47 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    46 ms    47 ms    46 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63783934.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63784146.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

AL Wyse interview:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Al_Wyse200612060118.jpg)

Router stats:

US bit rate: 448 kbps interleaved
DS bit rate: 8128 kbps interleaved
US noise margin upstream: 26 db
DS noise margin downstream: 14 db

Best so far - no longer peak time!


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jabns on December 06, 2006, 03:26:09 am
Product: Business Premier

--------------------------- ATU-R Info (annex A) ----------------------------
 Running Mode            :    G.DMT       State                : SHOWTIME
 DS Actual Rate          :  5184000 bps   US Actual Rate       :   736000 bps
 DS maximum Rate         :  5184000 bps   US maximum Rate      :   736000 bps
 DS Path Mode            :        Fast    US Path Mode         :        Fast
 NE Current Attenuation  :    31.0  dB    Cur SNR Margin       :    12.0  dB
 DS actual PSDM(C)       : 00000000       US actual PSDM(R)    : 00000000
 ADSL Firmware Version   : E.38.2.23
-------------------------------- ATU-C Info ---------------------------------
 Far Current Attenuation :    24.0  dB    Far SNR Margin       :     5.0  dB
 CO ITU Version[0]       : 00000000       CO ITU Version[1]    : 00000000
 DSLAM CHIPSET VENDOR    : < Unknown >
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ip tracert bbc.co.uk
traceroute to 212.58.228.155, 30 hops max
  1  195.166.128.72        30 ms
  2  84.92.4.90            30 ms
  3 Request timed out.     *
  4  212.159.4.6           30 ms
  5  212.58.239.25         30 ms
  6  212.58.238.133        30 ms
  7  212.58.238.33         30 ms
  8  212.58.239.30         30 ms
  9  212.58.228.155        30 ms
Trace complete.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gateway: pte-ag2
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

(http://the-barlows.co.uk/pug/1.png)

(http://the-barlows.co.uk/pug/2.png)

(http://the-barlows.co.uk/pug/3.jpg)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
I think these speed increase might be because of this:

(http://the-barlows.co.uk/pug/7.jpg)

 :-o About Time  :-D


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: fenlandbroadband on December 06, 2006, 07:05:56 am
7am, 6th December 2006

"Telehouse East, Juniper 4" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as pte-ag2.

Code:
tracert www.bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.226.232]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.1.1
  2    13 ms    13 ms    13 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.72]
  3    14 ms    14 ms    13 ms  ge0-0-0-504.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.90]
  4    13 ms    12 ms    13 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    13 ms    12 ms    13 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    13 ms    12 ms    12 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    13 ms    12 ms    13 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    13 ms    13 ms    13 ms  212.58.238.141
  9    13 ms    13 ms    13 ms  212.58.226.232

Trace complete.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63850707.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63850805.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

DSL Status :   Up     
DSL Modulation Mode :   GDMT     
DSL Path Mode :   FAST     
Downstream Rate :   8128 Kbps     
Upstream Rate :   448 Kbps     
Downstream Margin :   11 db     
Upstream Margin :   22 db     
Downstream Line Attenuation :   8     
Upstream Line Attenuation :   6


edit: adding NetMeter result (showing that at 7 in the morning, a few minutes before I leave for work the net works how it's meant to... If only it'd do the same when I get home in the evening and actually want/need to use it!)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: LC100 on December 06, 2006, 07:32:22 am
Hi

Also worth noting for those using Wireless connections on Windows XP that speeds may be very much less than what is possible due to the way RWIN (Receive Window) is handled.  On wired connections this RWIN value changes automatically but on wireless connections it doesn't work correctly.  My results for wired would be > 6000 yet switching to wireless on the same PC and the same router would gave around 500-800!  By using DrTCP and changing the RWIN window manually to the higher figure recommended by www.dslreports.com tweak test immediately saw wireless speeds increase to match wired speeds.  You can find references to this problem with a Google which is where I found it.  If I only used a wireless connection I would quite likely be blaming PlusNet.





Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: OldDave on December 06, 2006, 08:27:40 am
My off peak test - First test posted 5 Dec 2006 18:16
PAYG 15GB Special Offer
Gateway PTE-AG1

I changed the DNS server between this test and the first test first test used Open DNS this test used Plusnet

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.87]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     3 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  mygateway.ar7 [192.168.1.1]
  2    12 ms    13 ms    12 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    12 ms    11 ms    12 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    13 ms    12 ms    12 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    12 ms    11 ms    12 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  www.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.87]


(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63858250.png)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63858179.png)

Router Stats
Speed 8128 /448
Margin  6/27
Attn 29/25


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: godsell4 on December 06, 2006, 08:39:01 am

[1] 08:30 PAYG 15GB

[2] and [3]

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.227.75]

  1     2 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.0.55
  2    32 ms    31 ms    29 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    30 ms    30 ms    29 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.1]
  4    31 ms    30 ms    30 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    30 ms    29 ms    29 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    31 ms    30 ms    30 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    30 ms    29 ms    30 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    29 ms    30 ms    30 ms  212.58.238.161
  9    30 ms    30 ms    29 ms  www5.rbsov.bbc.co.uk [212.58.227.75]

Tracing route to portal.plus.net [212.159.8.137]

  1     2 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.0.55
  2    40 ms    29 ms    29 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    31 ms    35 ms    47 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.1]
  4    30 ms    29 ms    29 ms  ge1-0-0-23.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.17]
  5    31 ms    29 ms    31 ms  gi0-2-32.ptc-gw1.plus.net [195.166.129.10]
  6    37 ms    37 ms    36 ms  se3-0.pih-gw1.plus.net [195.166.129.250]
  7    38 ms    38 ms    38 ms  vlan8.pih-gw4.plus.net [212.159.0.30]
  8    39 ms    37 ms    38 ms  pih-al4.plus.net [212.159.1.36]
  9    37 ms    38 ms    39 ms  portal.plus.net [212.159.8.137]

[4]
Derby (http://www.speedtest.net/result/63859278.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63859562.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

[5] Firefox download shows +200KB/s so maxing out my 2Mb BRAS setting.

[6] Netgear DG834Gv2 Sync @ 3008kb/s SNR 9dB.

[7] Somewhat saddened to see no comments from PN overnight saying 'we know what is wrong', so I like others on this and the PN portal forum conclude this is the 'shape' of the PN service for now on and this is the quality of service they now expect to provide. I dread what is going to happen over the Christmas period. As I have stated elsewhere, if the Christmas period is bad,my migration is ensured and I am happy to pay more if needed ... though I already pay £20/month on PAYG. PN can expect a small claims court session with me if this ahppens as I intend to claim my whole fees for the last six months given the service is not of Satisfactory Quality during that whole time.

SW.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: neilarmstrong on December 06, 2006, 08:48:59 am
Somewhat saddened to see no comments from PN overnight saying 'we know what is wrong', so I like others on this and the PN portal forum conclude this is the 'shape' of the PN service for now on and this is the quality of service they now expect to provide. [/quote]

We appreciate your frustration. We've updated our Service Status several times reflecting we do know what is wrong - we have more traffic in gold queues than we should do due to a small % of customers getting more than their fair share. We are dealing with this at the moment with changes every day to redistribute bandwidth fairly in line with the revenue contribution from customers.

We will provide a much better quality of service than this and will keep providing updates as we improve things. I can also see on your account the detailed information you've been providing our networks team with to help get the gaming experience for you and other customers better than it currently is on BF2. Thanks for that.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: chesterfield on December 06, 2006, 10:34:39 am
With all due respect Neil, seeing PN attempt to address this problem with yet another tweak of the priorities on the Ellacoyas, is simply going to rub people up the wrong way.  Many are tired of seeing PN address these problems by making even more adjustments to the Ellacoyas time and time again.

It appears to many that we have reached a point where shuffling the priorities on the ellacoyas, is simply robbing peter to pay paul, it is becoming clear to many that the real problem is capacity.  Moving various traffic priorities around is akin to shuffling the deckchairs on the titanic.

We understand the implications that admitting capacity is at fault would have, both in terms of the takeover and the faith placed in these Ellacoyas, however, I for one would rather PN simply say "There is nothing that can be done", instead of giving customers false hope that further tweaking of the Ellacoyas will resolve the situation.  PN have had long enough to set these devices up correctly, and moving even more traffic out of Gold is simply showing how PN are addressing the fact that the average user is consuming more.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 06, 2006, 11:45:53 am
5th test
(earlier ones, yesterday, 18:33 posted at 19:11, 20:55 posted at 21:16, 23:00 posted at 23:16
and today 01:10 posted at 01:26)

Time: 11:30 onwards

Product: Premier Option 1.

Gateway: pte-ag1

Tracert to bbc.co.uk:

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    49 ms    46 ms    46 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    47 ms    46 ms    45 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    45 ms    44 ms    44 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    45 ms    45 ms    44 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    47 ms    45 ms    45 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    46 ms    45 ms    46 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    46 ms    48 ms    46 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    48 ms    49 ms    47 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    47 ms    46 ms    46 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63877776.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63877865.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

AL Wyse interview:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Al_Wyse200612061133.jpg)

Router stats:

US bit rate: 448 kbps interleaved
DS bit rate: 8128 kbps interleaved
US noise margin upstream: 26 db
DS noise margin downstream: 15 db

Morning prior to peak time


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: mikeb on December 06, 2006, 12:38:03 pm
It appears to many that we have reached a point where shuffling the priorities on the ellacoyas, is simply robbing peter to pay paul, it is becoming clear to many that the real problem is capacity.  Moving various traffic priorities around is akin to shuffling the deckchairs on the titanic.

Firstly, I must say that I'm far from impressed at the sudden and severe degradation in performance a week or so ago and despite the continued tweaking it still isn't anywhere that close to being back where it was before all this nonsense began.  Performance in general is up and down like a yo-yo and there continue to be things that I cannot achieve satisfactorily despite only being a light user on a Premier A/C.

However, I do have some sympathy for PN in respect of the possible 'abusive' users and BW capacity.  The total amount of BW provided can only be defined by the amount possible and sensible (from a business point of view) to purchase based on the total income received from all users. If some users are abusing the network and taking more than they are effectively paying for then clearly other users will be losing out.  Even if PN were to switch on several new pipes today, they would almost certainly be filled almost immediately and primarily with P2P traffic I would suggest.  The abusers would still continue to abuse and all other users would still continue to suffer poor performance.  Unless and until BW usage can be controlled in a totally satisfactory and reliable manner taking into account individual users' usage to date and their subscription payment then the amount of total BW available is largely academic IMHO.

Yes, I would obviously agree that if BW was grossly over-provisioned then there would be some improvement to be seen by some if not most users but if the economics are not there to support such a level of BW provision then it certainly isn't going to be there for long ... and neither would the company or your connection in general of course !

I'm not excusing PNs recent (apparent lack of) performance and in particular I see no good reason why this problem should have been allowed to surface in the first place let alone have grown to the proportions it has and subsequently be taking quite so long to resolve. However, I do believe that it is necessary to be realistic in expectations of increased BW capacity.  Regardless of how much capacity is actually available and how many users wish to use it at any point in time, the only half-way sensible approach is to ensure that each and every user has full and ready access to their fair share of what is available based on what they have paid for and this should be for use as they see fit.

Within reason, PN should not be severely restricting some or all users to only certain types of usage at certain times or under certain circumstances. If it's paid for then it should be usable fairly and proportionally by all users at all times.  Caps, limits or whatever term you wish to use should be strictly enforced and reduced to more appropriate levels if necessary. The post midnight free-for-all should also be removed or at least managed in exactly the same way as peak times, again to ensure that all users get their fair share of what is available and more to the point, get what they have paid for.

I don't seriously expect to get a definitive answer from PN but I'm going to ask anyway ! Exactly how much BW is purchased by a Premier A/C subscription ?


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: portmoak on December 06, 2006, 12:59:28 pm
Regardless of how much capacity is actually available and how many users wish to use it at any point in time, the only half-way sensible approach is to ensure that each and every user has full and ready access to their fair share of what is available based on what they have paid for and this should be for use as they see fit.

But even then this implies near-infinite instantaneous bandwidth so there needs to be some mechanism for managing the peaks. Noone said it was easy and the Ellacoya machinery is probably required to some extent, but the root problem is lack of bandwidth and over-reliance on shaping. Like so many things in life, a balance.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: chesterfield on December 06, 2006, 01:13:27 pm
Im not saying that there should be no traffic management.

As stated if new pipes were lit, they would instantly be swallowed up by P2P jut because of how P2P works. So clearly management of some form is needed.

However....

We have had the ellacoyas in place for some time now.  If the problem were purely overly greedy individuals, and over active P2P usage, surely that should have been dealt with by now.

P2P should already be rate limited, indeed it most certainly is.  But we are still seeing slow http at peak, laggy gaming, ftp and email also affected.  So what now?  What can the problem be if P2P is already limited?

The problem is, thet aven after limiting P2P, there isnt enough pie to go round.  I also have a sneaky suspicion and have been informed that during peak loads (which is most of the time) the Ellaoyas simply cant inspect, prioritise and deliver the ammount of traffic being thrown at them.  So even if they do limit P2P enough to allow all other protocols enough bandwidth, we are likely to still see lag, due to the physical capabilities of the Ellacoya devices.

There are more issues at work here than the configuration of the Ellacoyas, and its plain for everyone to see, but finding out exactly what those issues are, and having PN state what they are doing to resolve them is another matter entirely.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 06, 2006, 01:27:38 pm
6th test
(earlier ones, yesterday, 18:33 posted at 19:11, 20:55 posted at 21:16, 23:00 posted at 23:16
and today 01:10 posted at 01:26 and 11:30 posted at 11:45)

Time: 13:15 onwards

Product: Premier Option 1.

Gateway: pte-ag1

Tracert to bbc.co.uk:

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    55 ms    45 ms    49 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    45 ms    46 ms    45 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    47 ms    47 ms    47 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    47 ms    45 ms    46 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    47 ms    47 ms    46 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    45 ms    45 ms    45 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    46 ms    46 ms    46 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    46 ms    47 ms    47 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    51 ms    48 ms    47 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63891579.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63891739.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

AL Wyse interview:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Al_Wyse200612061315.jpg)

Router stats:

US bit rate: 448 kbps interleaved
DS bit rate: 8128 kbps interleaved
US noise margin upstream: 26 db
DS noise margin downstream: 13 db

Lunchtime during peak time


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Moose on December 06, 2006, 01:31:39 pm
  I also have a sneaky suspicion and have been informed that during peak loads (which is most of the time) the Ellaoyas simply cant inspect, prioritise and deliver the ammount of traffic being thrown at them.

would that explain this ?
C2S throughput test: Packet queuing detected: 4.99%
S2C throughput test: Excessive packet queuing detected: 90.91%

I have no idea how the ellacoya works so i might be completely off the mark here, but the 'Excessive packet queuing detected: 90.91%' would indicate (to me) that the ellacoya cant work quickly enough, causing the stupid amounts of lag i'm seeing in gaming during peak hours.
Am i on the right lines here?


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: chesterfield on December 06, 2006, 01:38:10 pm
I dont know the ins and outs technically as I was told in laymans terms too.

I dont know if there is any truth in it, as surely ifthe packets cant be processed, they have to be dropped, they cant just wait around in an ever increasing buffer.  If they cant be processed what happens?  Do they just get dropped, if so then we would be seeing some drops on titanium traffic wouldnt we?  And we arent according to the packet loss graphs.

If they cant be processed quickly enough and are simply just shoved through whatever priority is available, then that might explain lag etc, but as I say, Im no technical expert on this matter, but Im sure we could find out the physical operating limits of an Ellacoya somewhere, and compare this to the total ammount of traffic going through the network, to see if they are actually capable of prioritising that much traffic.  All depends on how many there are though I suppose?


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 06, 2006, 04:29:24 pm
7th test
(earlier ones, yesterday, 18:33 posted at 19:11, 20:55 posted at 21:16, 23:00 posted at 23:16
and today 01:10 posted at 01:26, 11:30 posted at 11:45 and 13:15 posted at 13:27)
Time: 16:05 onwards

Product: Premier Option 1.

Gateway: pte-ag1

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    47 ms    47 ms    48 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    50 ms    46 ms    46 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    47 ms    48 ms    46 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    45 ms    48 ms    45 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    46 ms    48 ms    45 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    48 ms    46 ms    45 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    46 ms    48 ms    45 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    47 ms    49 ms    47 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    46 ms    48 ms    46 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63929237.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63929543.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

AL Wyse interview:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Al_Wyse200612061613.jpg)

Router stats:

US bit rate: 448 kbps interleaved
DS bit rate: 8128 kbps interleaved
US noise margin upstream: 26 db
DS noise margin downstream: 14 db

Router - Zyxel P2602HWL-61
Computer running Win2000, Norton Antivirus

Netmeter now showing more difficulty downloading
Start of real peak time
I'll probably stop now - That covers 24 hours!


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: fenlandbroadband on December 06, 2006, 05:52:53 pm
17:47  Wedneday 7th December 2006

"Telehouse North, Juniper 1" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as ptn-ag1.

Code:
tracert www.bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.113]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.1.1
  2    14 ms    15 ms    14 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.123]
  3    19 ms    13 ms    14 ms  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.17]
  4    13 ms    14 ms    16 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    17 ms    13 ms    17 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    13 ms    13 ms    13 ms  212.58.238.133
  7    14 ms    13 ms    16 ms  www13.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.113]

Trace complete.

Speedtest.net is loading up but my connection is so slow that even after a few minutes of the page loading with the globe map on it, no speed test locations are provided for me to try.

BT Speedtest (whilst logged in via my PN account) is giving the following speed:

149Kbps

BT Speedtest (whilst logged in on speedtest@speedtest_domain account) is giving:

5657Kbps


DSL Status :   Up     
DSL Modulation Mode :   GDMT     
DSL Path Mode :   FAST     
Downstream Rate :   8128 Kbps     
Upstream Rate :   448 Kbps     
Downstream Margin :   11 db     
Upstream Margin :   23 db     
Downstream Line Attenuation :   8     
Upstream Line Attenuation :   6


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Moose on December 06, 2006, 06:15:11 pm
Time 18.10
Product BB+
Gateway PTN-AG1

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.240.120]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    42 ms    37 ms    36 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.123]
  3    37 ms    37 ms    56 ms  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.17]
  4    34 ms    33 ms    36 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    38 ms    35 ms    33 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    35 ms    36 ms    34 ms  212.58.238.149
  7    38 ms    36 ms    34 ms  ge0-3-904.rt0-tfm4j3j4.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.25
5.61]
  8   106 ms   107 ms   104 ms  pos7-2.rt1.thny.bbc.co.uk [212.58.255.182]
  9   104 ms   104 ms   104 ms  www20.thny.bbc.co.uk [212.58.240.120]

Trace complete.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63964063.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63964455.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
PN stable rate 2500
Connection Status           Connected
Us Rate (Kbps)         448
Ds Rate (Kbps)         2592
US Margin         20
DS Margin         12
Trained Modulation         GDMT
LOS Errors         0
DS Line Attenuation         56
US Line Attenuation         31


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 06, 2006, 06:32:40 pm
2nd Series - 1st test

Time: 18:15 onwards

Product: Premier Option 1.

Gateway: pte-ag1

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    53 ms    74 ms    63 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    47 ms    60 ms    44 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    45 ms    47 ms    48 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    45 ms    46 ms    44 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    48 ms    48 ms    48 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    46 ms    45 ms    45 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    45 ms    44 ms    48 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    49 ms    47 ms    46 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    48 ms    47 ms    47 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63965869.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63966164.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

AL Wyse interview:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Al_Wyse200612061823.jpg)

Router stats:

US bit rate: 448 kbps interleaved
DS bit rate: 8128 kbps interleaved
US noise margin upstream: 26 db
DS noise margin downstream: 14 db

Router - Zyxel P2602HWL-61
Computer running Win2000, Norton Antivirus

Thread in Plusnet forum has asked for tests to be run again tonight!
Rebooted router as it has been up and connected for ages!  Managed to get back on pte-ag1


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: paulh on December 06, 2006, 07:07:11 pm

Testing started 18:47, finished 18:58,  Weds 6th Dec 2006,
BB+
PTN-AG1
Line stats: sync 8128/448; DS SNR: 13.5dB ; Atten: 8.5dB; Interleave: OFF;  MSR: 8000
Exchange STSHABY (Status:RED)

1     1 ms     1 ms    <1 ms  draytek2800vg  [172.16.0.1]
2    21 ms    22 ms    19 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.123
3    19 ms    21 ms    20 ms  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.18]
4    21 ms    19 ms    18 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
5    46 ms    41 ms    66 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
6    23 ms    19 ms    21 ms  212.58.238.149
7    20 ms    18 ms    98 ms  212.58.238.33
8    20 ms   100 ms    19 ms  pos6-0.rt0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.30]
9    43 ms    21 ms    21 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

DERBY (http://www.speedtest.net/result/63977828.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

LONDON (http://www.speedtest.net/result/63978400.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Sorry no netmeter snap right now i may be able to update this post later.

NB these are typical speeds from circa 5pm through 'til 10ish when they improve a bit.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Studygirl on December 06, 2006, 07:26:37 pm
Wednesday 6th December
Testing 19:02 to 19:15

Premier 2
ptn-ag2.

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.0.1
  2    18 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.1.1
  3    29 ms    26 ms    28 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.53]
  4    25 ms    21 ms    23 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.106]
  5    21 ms    23 ms    26 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    21 ms    23 ms    22 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    23 ms    22 ms    23 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    27 ms    24 ms    27 ms  212.58.238.33
  9    43 ms    34 ms    31 ms  pos6-0.rt0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.30]
 10    28 ms    25 ms    27 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63981919.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63982947.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Can't get Al Wyse video to download but will try later


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: portmoak on December 06, 2006, 07:34:53 pm
PAYG 2006/12/06 19:20

About 2/3 of the average rates from last night at 23:00
Not great on a 5.5Mb connection but very useable.

"Telehouse East, Juniper 4" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as pte-ag2.


Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     3 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  mygateway.ADAMSON [192.168.1.1]
  2    46 ms    43 ms    43 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.72]
  3    42 ms    43 ms    41 ms  ge0-0-0-504.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.89]
  4    41 ms    42 ms    41 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    45 ms    44 ms    45 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    43 ms    43 ms    42 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    43 ms    46 ms    41 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    42 ms    43 ms    42 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    44 ms    44 ms    46 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    47 ms    45 ms    44 ms  bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63986876.png)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63986342.png)

Al Wyse downloading at around 300kB but note the big dropouts.

(http://www.theadamsons.co.uk/images/graph1.png)

Router Stats:
DSL Status
  Connection Status Connected
  Upstream Rate (Kbps) 448
  Downstream Rate (Kbps) 5536
  US Margin 27
  DS Margin 6
  Modulation MMODE
  LOS Errors 0
  DS Line Attenuation 34
  US Line Attenuation 34
  Path Mode Interleaved
  
DSL Statistics
  Near End F4 Loop Back Count 0
  Near End F5 Loop Back Count 0


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: cjags on December 06, 2006, 07:47:40 pm
PAYG up to 8M
BRAS = 1000

tested 6-dec-2006 @ 21:28

You are currently connected to the "Telehouse North, Juniper 2" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as ptn-ag2.

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     1 ms     3 ms     3 ms  BelkinModem.home.cjags.plus.com [192.168.0.1]
  2    43 ms    53 ms    44 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.53]
  3    42 ms    42 ms    49 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.105]
  4    43 ms    43 ms    45 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    45 ms    44 ms    43 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    42 ms    44 ms    44 ms  212.58.238.133
  7    45 ms    43 ms    44 ms  212.58.238.33
  8    37 ms    46 ms    48 ms  pos6-0.rt0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.30]
  9    43 ms    43 ms    45 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.
Derby:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63986840.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
London:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/63987590.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Netmeter - JPG attached

LocalInterleavedChannelRxRate = 1728000
LocalInterleavedChannelTxRate = 448000
LocalSNRMargin = 16.0 dB
LocalLineAttn = 47.5 dB
RawAttn = 47.5 dB
LocalTxPower = 11.7 dB
RemoteLineAttn = 26.5 dB
RemoteSNRMargin = 2323 dB

For some reason my RxRate is always about 1.7M but my BRAS wobbles between 500 and 1500 :(


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Firejack on December 06, 2006, 08:26:01 pm
2nd Test - Internet is much slower tonight. FTP is barely working.

Time: 20:05 - 20:20
Product: Premier Option 1
Gateway: pte-ag1

Code:
C:\Documents and Settings\Andrew>tracert www.bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.35]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.2.70
  2    28 ms    36 ms    26 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    26 ms    25 ms    26 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.1]
  4    26 ms    26 ms    28 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    29 ms    25 ms    26 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    26 ms    26 ms    25 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    26 ms    26 ms    27 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    27 ms    24 ms    27 ms  www5.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.35]

Trace complete.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64004557.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64000306.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Code:
Modem Status
  Connection Status Connected
  Upstream Rate (Kbps) 448
  Downstream Rate (Kbps) 4768
  US Margin 21
  DS Margin 4
  Modulation GDMT
  LOS Errors 0
  DS Line Attenuation 48
  US Line Attenuation 54
  Path Mode Interleaved

Exchange: Chester North (Red Status)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: godsell4 on December 06, 2006, 08:42:14 pm
[1] PAYG 2Mb MaxDSL

[2]/[3]
Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.83]

  1     2 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.0.55
  2    46 ms    28 ms    33 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.53]
  3    32 ms    28 ms    27 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.105]
  4    29 ms    27 ms    30 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    31 ms    28 ms    27 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    26 ms    27 ms    31 ms  212.58.238.149
  7    31 ms    29 ms    28 ms  www53.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.83]

[4]

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64009476.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64010460.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

[5] 84 to 89kB/s for the .wmv file download

[6] DG834G 2816kb/s 8dB SNR


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: wildmind on December 06, 2006, 08:54:08 pm
WED 06/12/06 @ 20:25
PREMIER OPTION 1 (NO RESTRICTIONS)

GATEWAY - PTE-AG1 (Telehouse East - Juniper 3)

DERBY:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64006497.png)

LONDON:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64007650.png)

TRACERT:
Code:
Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  10.0.0.2
  2    29 ms    24 ms    27 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    30 ms    27 ms    27 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    45 ms    40 ms    25 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    24 ms    27 ms    28 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    29 ms    29 ms    28 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    26 ms    27 ms    30 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    31 ms    32 ms    25 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    26 ms    26 ms    29 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    29 ms    27 ms    25 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

AL WYSE DOWNLOAD: Painfully slow - see graph below!

Web browsing is unbelievable - I am getting objects timing out and pages failing to load completely. The whole "experience" is like having wisdom teeth pulled by a sado-masochist who refuses to give you any pain relief!



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Moose on December 06, 2006, 09:00:38 pm
The whole "experience" is like having wisdom teeth pulled by a sado-masochist who refuses to give you any pain relief!

Beautifully put :-D


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 06, 2006, 09:17:26 pm
2nd Series - 2nd test (earlier test in this series 18:15 posted at 18:32)

Time: 20:58 onwards

Product: Premier Option 1.

Gateway: pte-ag1

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    44 ms    53 ms    45 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    50 ms    44 ms    44 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    47 ms    46 ms    44 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    49 ms    45 ms    46 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    48 ms    46 ms    45 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    50 ms    46 ms    46 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    50 ms    46 ms    47 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    47 ms    47 ms    47 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    47 ms    50 ms    49 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64017149.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64017392.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

AL Wyse interview:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Al_Wyse200612062105.jpg)

Router stats:

US bit rate: 448 kbps interleaved
DS bit rate: 8128 kbps interleaved
US noise margin upstream: 26 db
DS noise margin downstream: 15 db

Router - Zyxel P2602HWL-61
Computer running Win2000, Norton Antivirus

Thread in Plusnet forum has asked for tests to be run again tonight!
This test was the slowest by far!


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: wildmind on December 06, 2006, 09:51:41 pm
Thanks Moose - Always had a way with words ;)

Anyway - I've been pipe-hopping and heres a set of tests from me for a different pipe.

PREMIER OPTION 1 - NO RESTRICTIONS
06/12/06 @ 21:10
GATEWAY - PTN-AG1 Telehouse North, Juniper 1

DERBY:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64020620.png)

LONDON:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64021595.png)

Code:
Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  10.0.0.2
  2    33 ms    33 ms    27 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.123]
  3    25 ms    25 ms    26 ms  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.18]
  4    33 ms    27 ms    24 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    26 ms    23 ms    28 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    23 ms    28 ms    24 ms  212.58.238.149
  7    25 ms    23 ms    28 ms  212.58.238.36
  8    28 ms    27 ms    30 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
  9    33 ms    25 ms    27 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

AL WYSE DOWNLOAD: See Attached

Despite swapping pipes things aint improving. The download of Al Wyse was more spiky and erratic. Latency doesn't seem to be affected at all. Web pages still failing to load elements (including this forum!)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: mikeb on December 06, 2006, 09:59:35 pm
Premier Option 1, no management, total usage typ ~3 GB/m max <5 GB/m
Vigor router on a 2M line, SNR = 30dB, ATT = 22dB, PPPoA UPTIME = 100 Hr
Gateway: ptn-ag2

Web browsing performance fairly slow and quite laggy

Code:
1     4 ms      192.168.1.1        Router-adsl
2     22 ms     195.166.128.53     lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net
3     23 ms     84.92.3.105        ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw1.plus.net
4     *         * no response *    - - -
5     18 ms     212.58.239.25      rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk
6     22 ms     212.58.238.149     - - -
7     19 ms     212.58.238.36      - - -
8     20 ms     212.58.239.254     pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk
9     19 ms     212.58.228.155     bbc.co.uk

Speedtest.net DL (Derby/London) 400 - 1200 kb/s (erratic with wildly different results on consecutive tests)

Speedtest.net UL (Derby/London) 240 kb/s (consistent)

Wyse WMA DL: av 170 kB/s (pretty consistent a few drops to 0 kB/s)

Rapidshare HTTP DL: av 21 kB/s (wildly erratic, 0 - 50 kB/s)

USA HTTP DL: av 145 kB/s (pretty consistent a few drops to 0 kB/s)

PN FTP DL: av 65 kB/s (pretty consistent)

USA FTP DL: av 40 kB/s (erratic, 0 - 100 kB/s)

NOTE: Test DL and UL file size 8.5 MB - 10 MB


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: dhookham on December 06, 2006, 10:18:24 pm
I had good intentions of running a set of tests tonight...
Then I got this:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64038265.png)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64041003.png)
My interest waned pretty quickly after that.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Tam on December 06, 2006, 10:24:38 pm
I still think that the usergroup web site is shaped. The max I've been able to pull all day is 850kb\sec from it.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: biondani on December 06, 2006, 10:26:09 pm
I don't think it has any special priority on the hellacoyas but I could be wrong.

Ian


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: chesterfield on December 06, 2006, 10:47:39 pm
I had good intentions of running a set of tests tonight...
Then I got this:
(snip x2 images)

My interest waned pretty quickly after that.

I know how you feel, I was going to do some too, but I got this:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64022038.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: mikeb on December 06, 2006, 11:07:04 pm
I still think that the usergroup web site is shaped. The max I've been able to pull all day is 850kb\sec from it.

I don't think so - at least not for me anyway - I would almost be prepared to suggest the opposite in fact ! It's the one site that I can just about guarantee to get what I consider to be 'normal' performance on when loading.  Just about everything else is pretty slow and laggy but it's not a local cache thing because I clear my cache every time I close the browser. When I DL'd the Wyse interview the other night I got full consistent maxed out line speed, something I hadn't actually seen reliably any time anywhere for a long while !  I only have a 2M connection tho so it might be pegged above that and I wouldn't know of course.  Having said that, it did appear a bit slower than 'normal' earlier this evening, most unusual I must say but not seriously slower and certainly way better than everywhere else was at the same time.  The wyse interview was coming down at an average of 170 kB/s but bursting up to full line speed at around 21:30


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 06, 2006, 11:09:44 pm
2nd Series - 3rd test (earlier tests in this series 18:15 posted at 18:32 and 20:58 posted at 21:17)

Time: 22:55 onwards

Product: Premier Option 1.

Gateway: pte-ag1

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    66 ms    45 ms    46 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    48 ms    47 ms    44 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    45 ms    47 ms    45 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    44 ms    47 ms    46 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    48 ms    45 ms    46 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    46 ms    47 ms    45 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    45 ms    47 ms    49 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    49 ms    47 ms    48 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    49 ms    47 ms    49 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64053500.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64053711.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

AL Wyse interview:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Al_Wyse200612062300.jpg)

Router stats:

US bit rate: 448 kbps interleaved
DS bit rate: 8128 kbps interleaved
US noise margin upstream: 26 db
DS noise margin downstream: 13 db

Router - Zyxel P2602HWL-61
Computer running Win2000, Norton Antivirus

Thread in Plusnet forum has asked for tests to be run again tonight!
Better performance compared to result 2 hours ago.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: dusty_bin on December 06, 2006, 11:39:28 pm
23:25 pte-ag1 PAYG

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64060620.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64061225.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

 1   <10 ms   <10 ms   <10 ms  my-router [192.168.1.1]
 2    19 ms    13 ms    15 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
 3    14 ms    15 ms    14 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.1]
 4    15 ms    14 ms    15 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
 5    14 ms    15 ms    16 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
 6    16 ms    15 ms    15 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
 7    16 ms    15 ms    14 ms  212.58.238.133
 8    15 ms    13 ms    19 ms  www15.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.115]

 1   <10 ms   <10 ms   <10 ms  my-router [192.168.1.1]
 2    15 ms    17 ms    16 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
 3    14 ms    14 ms    14 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.1]
 4    14 ms    15 ms    15 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
 5    15 ms    16 ms    16 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
 6    15 ms    15 ms    14 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
 7    15 ms    14 ms    14 ms  212.58.238.149
 8    16 ms    14 ms    15 ms  212.58.238.33
 9    15 ms    17 ms    16 ms  pos6-0.rt0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.30]
10    16 ms    15 ms    16 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Sync: 6240 kb/s BRAS: 5500 kb/s


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 07, 2006, 01:15:06 am
2nd Series - 4th test
(earlier tests in this series, yesterday, 18:15 posted at 18:32, 20:58 posted at 21:17 and 22:55 posted at 23:09)

Time: 00:55 onwards

Product: Premier Option 1.

Gateway: pte-ag1

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    45 ms    44 ms    45 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    46 ms    44 ms    45 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    45 ms    44 ms    44 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    45 ms    44 ms    44 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    57 ms    46 ms    45 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    45 ms    44 ms    45 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    45 ms    45 ms    44 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    46 ms    46 ms    47 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    47 ms    46 ms    47 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64083909.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64084168.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

AL Wyse interview:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Al_Wyse200612070100.jpg)

Router stats:

US bit rate: 448 kbps interleaved
DS bit rate: 8128 kbps interleaved
US noise margin upstream: 26 db
DS noise margin downstream: 14 db

Router - Zyxel P2602HWL-61
Computer running Win2000, Norton Antivirus

Thread in Plusnet forum has asked for tests to be run again tonight!
Speedtest results not quite as good as this time last night.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: fenlandbroadband on December 07, 2006, 06:02:01 am
5:55am Thursday 7th December 2006

Premier Option 1, 8Mbps MaxDSL

"Telehouse North, Juniper 1" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as ptn-ag1.

Code:
tracert www.bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.36]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.1.1
  2    13 ms    12 ms    12 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.123]
  3    13 ms    12 ms    12 ms  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.18]
  4    13 ms    19 ms    12 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    13 ms    12 ms    12 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    13 ms    12 ms    12 ms  212.58.238.149
  7    14 ms    12 ms    12 ms  www6.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.36]

Trace complete.


(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64144813.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64144592.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: paulh on December 07, 2006, 07:45:43 am
07:40ish Thursday 7th Dec 06
BB+
PTN-AG1
Mode      Up Speed   Down SpeedSNR Margin   Loop Att.
G.DMT   448000   8128000   13.5              8.5
Interleave OFF
MSR 8000

london  (http://www.speedtest.net/result/64155958.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
DERBY (http://www.speedtest.net/result/64155821.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

1     1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms draytek2800vg  [172.16.0.1]
2    21 ms    24 ms    24 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.123]
3    22 ms    22 ms    21 ms  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.18]
4    22 ms    20 ms    23 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
5    32 ms   225 ms   238 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
6    22 ms    24 ms    21 ms  212.58.238.149
7    21 ms    21 ms    20 ms  212.58.238.33
8    23 ms    23 ms    23 ms  pos6-0.rt0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.30]
9    23 ms    23 ms    22 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Substantially quicker than early evening (by a factor of about 5)



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: godsell4 on December 07, 2006, 08:21:01 am
Dear PN, please remove digits from orifice and do something.

SW.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: wildmind on December 07, 2006, 09:40:53 am
PREMIER OPTION 1 - NO RESTRICTIONS - OFF PEAK
07/12/06 @ 09:35
GATEWAY: PTN-AG1 (Telehouse North, Juniper 1)

DERBY:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64166295.png)

LONDON:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64166483.png)

Code:
Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  10.0.0.2
  2    29 ms    25 ms    29 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.123]
  3    28 ms    25 ms    27 ms  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.18]
  4    26 ms    26 ms    26 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    27 ms    25 ms    27 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    47 ms    33 ms    30 ms  212.58.238.149
  7    25 ms    25 ms    26 ms  212.58.238.36
  8    26 ms    25 ms    27 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
  9    33 ms    23 ms    29 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

AL WYSE INTERVIEW: See Graph below

Speeds are far superior and latency to the speedtesters is alot lower with upstream speeds also majorly improved.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: chesterfield on December 07, 2006, 09:50:24 am
Can I ask just how long we the customers are going to have to act like sheep in this thread.

Its clear to everyone that at peak times PN cant deliver, yet we continue posting up these tests over and over, in the futile hope that PN actualy give a damn.  There is enough evidence posted already to draw conclusions, and all we are continually doing is diverting attention away from the fact that Plusnet have after almost a week now of complete shambolic performance, still provided nothing in the way of an answer, or indeed even admitted what the problem is.  All we hear over and over is "ellacoya tweaking" will fix it, and when it doesnt, they have another tweak.

Round and round with the same old excuses.  You know, I dont even know why I bother, its clear that PN wont step up to the plate and admit what the issue is, and its even more clear that no matter how much we try to help with threads like this, it simply wont make any difference.  After almost a year of holding out hope that PN will get better, Ive given up too, its clear that we are just going round in circles, and its clear that PN arent going to give us any answers.  Hopefully my MAC will arrive some time today, and I can spend my day off tomorrow electing whom to pass it to.

A lot of people hav put a lot of effort into this thread, and really taken time to try and help.  I think however, if we all sit down and think it through, can we honestly say to ourselves that it has helped, or that the time we have given to put these details together will actually be used by PN to improve the service for us all?

Hope is one thing, blind faith is quite another...


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: wildmind on December 07, 2006, 09:55:51 am
Chesterfield - we've posted tests for 2 peak times. I am going to collate all of the info, and setup a dedicated forum area for all this, at some point today as well as splitting out non-speedtest posts into seperate threads. Then we will try and get a list of clear questions to go alongside the tests that have been posted and then get somebody at PN to answer them.

I don't think 2 days is that long personally!!!


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: chesterfield on December 07, 2006, 10:05:24 am
I know, its probably not that long, but PN have seen this coming for a long time.  Why should it get to the stage where customers are tearing their hair out because of the issues before WE the customer try and help sort it out.

They have a team of people who's job it is to ensure they are one step ahead of the game when it comes to ensuring the network can cope with demand, they have people specifically employed to ensure situations like this do not happen.

So the scenarios are, they either saw this coming and chose to do nothing, thinking they could ride out the squeeze with yet another round ofellacoya fiddling, or, and this is possibly worse, they cant do the job of ensuring the network remains one jump ahead of the users requirements.

I admire your dedication in trying to help them out.  Do you think it will be fixed today or tomorrow, and then we have the weekend, then we are back to monday?

The truth is, we havent had any explanations as to whats going on, and we haven't had any answers.  If we are honest this thread should, in reality, pale into insignificance when compared to Plusnets own tests and research into their own network.

Not that I dont agree with the thread, it shows willing by a group of customers to help their provider resolve whatever the issue is, but from where I, and a hole bunch of other customers are standing, it seems the flow of information is very one way.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 07, 2006, 12:05:51 pm
2nd Series - 5th test
(earlier tests in this series, yesterday, 18:15 posted at 18:32, 20:58 posted at 21:17, 22:55 posted at 23:09
and today 00:55 posted at 01:15)

Time: 11:50 onwards

Product: Premier Option 1.

Gateway: pte-ag1

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    47 ms    45 ms    52 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3   114 ms    45 ms    45 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    46 ms    45 ms    44 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    45 ms    44 ms    44 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    44 ms    45 ms    46 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    46 ms    45 ms    46 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    46 ms    45 ms    44 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    47 ms    46 ms    47 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    49 ms    48 ms    47 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64180618.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64180712.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

AL Wyse interview:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Al_Wyse200612071158.jpg)

Router stats:

US bit rate: 448 kbps interleaved
DS bit rate: 8128 kbps interleaved
US noise margin upstream: 26 db
DS noise margin downstream: 14 db

Router - Zyxel P2602HWL-61
Computer running Win2000, Norton Antivirus

Thread in Plusnet forum has asked for tests to be run again!
Large difference between Derby and London speedtests.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Pendragon on December 07, 2006, 12:48:13 pm
Time 12:30 PM
Force 9 Premier Option 1 ADSL Max.

Telehouse East, Juniper 3 Gateway pte-ag1

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.226.232]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.1.1
  2    38 ms    36 ms    37 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    36 ms    36 ms    34 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    35 ms    36 ms    35 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    35 ms    35 ms    35 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    37 ms    35 ms    35 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    36 ms    37 ms    36 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    35 ms    35 ms    35 ms  212.58.238.145
  9    37 ms    38 ms    36 ms  212.58.226.232

Trace complete.


(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64184765.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64184489.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Router Linksys WAG354G Downstream = 6272 Upstream = 448 Downstream SNR = 8db
Upstream SNR = 23db.

Download of the video was steady at 629 Kb/sec until completed (stats via ISP monitor)

Location is Rural exchange 6 miles East of Weymouth (all Green on this exchange).







Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Tam on December 07, 2006, 01:04:14 pm
I don't think it has any special priority on the hellacoyas but I could be wrong.

Ian

What i meant was - during the day - it downloads at 3Mb/sec - at night its a solid 850Kb/sec

Therefore usergroup server is shapped through the ellacoyas - even to conenctions outside of PN adsl connections. IMHO


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: The Flying Gribble on December 07, 2006, 01:25:18 pm
I'm in work so don't have access to the image links, but at 9pm last night the Derby speedtest.net was downloading at around 500kbps, this morning at 7am it was 5000kbps - 10 times quicker.  Router hadn't resync'd in between.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 07, 2006, 01:46:31 pm
2nd Series - 6th test
(earlier tests in this series, yesterday, 18:15 posted at 18:32, 20:58 posted at 21:17, 22:55 posted at 23:09
and today 00:55 posted at 01:15 and 11:50 posted at 12:05)

Time: 13:30 onwards

Product: Premier Option 1.

Gateway: pte-ag1

Tracert to bbc.co.uk:

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    47 ms    47 ms    44 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3     *       52 ms    44 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    45 ms    46 ms    44 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    48 ms    46 ms    46 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    44 ms    45 ms    44 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    46 ms    47 ms    46 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    46 ms    45 ms    45 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    47 ms    47 ms    46 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    47 ms    45 ms    46 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64193855.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64194002.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

AL Wyse interview:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Al_Wyse200612071335.jpg)

Router stats:

US bit rate: 448 kbps interleaved
DS bit rate: 8128 kbps interleaved
US noise margin upstream: 26 db
DS noise margin downstream: 14 db

Router - Zyxel P2602HWL-61
Computer running Win2000, Norton Antivirus

Thread in Plusnet forum has asked for tests to be run again!
Derby speedtest result still slower.
Long pause during download of interview.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: mikeb on December 07, 2006, 02:49:20 pm
Premier Option 1, no management, total usage typ ~3 GB/m max <5 GB/m
Vigor router on a 2M line, SNR = 30dB, ATT = 22dB, PPPoA UPTIME = 120 Hr
Gateway: ptn-ag2

Code:
1     4 ms      192.168.1.1        Router-adsl
2     22 ms     195.166.128.53     lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net
3     19 ms     84.92.3.105        ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw1.plus.net
4     *         * no response *    - - -
5     20 ms     212.58.239.25      rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk
6     20 ms     212.58.238.149
7     24 ms     212.58.238.36
8     20 ms     212.58.239.254     pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk
9     19 ms     212.58.228.155     bbc.co.uk

Speedtest.net DL (Derby): 1833 kb/s (263 ms latency)

Speedtest.net UL (Derby): 243 kb/s

Speedtest.net DL (London): 1949 kb/s (139 ms latency)

Speedtest.net UL (London): 244 kb/s

Wyse WMV DL: av 225 kB/s

Rapidshare HTTP DL: av 225 kB/s     <---- *VERY* Interesting !!

USA HTTP DL: av 202 kB/s

PN FTP DL: av 64 kB/s

PN FTP UL: av 26 kB/s

USA FTP DL: av 185 kB/s     <----- Also *VERY* Interesting !!

NOTE: Test DL and UL file size 8.5 MB - 10 MB


I'm coming to the conclusion that results from speedtest.net (along with speed test sites in general) are misleading at best and useless at worst.  I don't know what the figure presented is supposed to be but I rather suspect that it isn't a sensible average over the test time and could possibly even be more of a peak rate.  Some recent tests had several significant pauses in the test transfer whilst others had almost 50% of the duration at ~1 Mb/s but still reported a result of 1800 kb/s - 1900 kb/s.  Not a particularly sensible or believable result given a very variable transmission rate and pauses during the test  :|

The proof of the transmission rate pudding is in the eating of a file downloaded from a reliable site IMHO ;)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 07, 2006, 03:27:51 pm
@mikeb  You maybe right about speedtest.net

I often use Visualware MySpeed as it seems to be more informative and tests http and socket connections.

An example of http speed at 15:00

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/MySpeed200712071500http.jpg)


An example of socket speed at 15:03

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/MySpeed200712071503socket.jpg)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 07, 2006, 04:14:29 pm
2nd Series - 7th and last test of current series.
(earlier tests in this series, yesterday, 18:15 posted at 18:32, 20:58 posted at 21:17, 22:55 posted at 23:09
and today 00:55 posted at 01:15, 11:50 posted at 12:05 and 13:30 posted at 13:46)

Time: 16:00 onwards

Product: Premier Option 1.

Gateway: pte-ag1

Tracert to bbc.co.uk:

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    46 ms    46 ms    49 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    48 ms    73 ms    45 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    44 ms    44 ms    44 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    47 ms    46 ms    45 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    46 ms    47 ms    44 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    45 ms    45 ms    44 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    45 ms    46 ms    45 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    46 ms    47 ms    47 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    48 ms    46 ms    48 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64225175.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64225338.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

AL Wyse interview:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Al_Wyse200612071605.jpg)

Router stats:

US bit rate: 448 kbps interleaved
DS bit rate: 8128 kbps interleaved
US noise margin upstream: 26 db
DS noise margin downstream: 14 db

Router - Zyxel P2602HWL-61
Computer running Win2000, Norton Antivirus

Thread in Plusnet forum has asked for tests to be run again!
Netmeter result looks better than at this time yesterday.



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: wildmind on December 07, 2006, 04:29:11 pm
OK - I decided to try something a bit different in that I was downloading some files from the Microsoft Licensing website today and deliberately scheduled one in to cross over the peak boundaries.

MS Downloads are a bit spikey for everyone at the moment with all the mad rush for Vista and Office 2007 (although some people are just Tooooooo slow - been running both legit for weeks now :D)

Anyway - as you can see from the graph below - the downloads were peaking at 3000kbps before 4pm but then at 4pm the download stopped! Completely! I had to manually restart it and lo and behold, speeds have dropped well down.

I'd love to know what the hell is going on!!!!!



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: chesterfield on December 07, 2006, 04:48:13 pm
Its a fault in the ellacoyas.  I know, the surprise is almost unbeleiveable.

Apparently a few tinkers, and cutting the speed to a minority of users abusing the service will make it all better.  But of course adding capacity wouldn't.

Ive had enough, its a futile stance.  Ill just chase my MAC and bugger off, hopefully the register or ADSLguide will pick up on the fact that PN havent got the brass tacks to admit capacity is an issue and the pressure of the media will be enough to make the change, clearly the voice of people here and in the forums is not.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Colin on December 07, 2006, 05:00:23 pm
Adding capacity probably wouldn't help in the long term - it would need to be added along with the Ellacoya stuff I'd reckon, otherwise it's likely to all just go down for P2P.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: chesterfield on December 07, 2006, 05:11:48 pm
I agree - P2P needs holding back like the wild beast it is, but as has been posted the network is full. So the options are squeeze P2P more, to ensure gold/titanium works as it should, or keep P2P where it is and increase capacity to give the rest of the traffic breathing space at peak times.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: godsell4 on December 07, 2006, 05:30:37 pm
PAYG 15Gb £20/month 2Mb MaxDSL

I get about 60KB/s according to Firefox when trying to download iTunes7, IE7 or anything from mirrorservice.org.

At the same time speedtest.net gives
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64245649.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

SW.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: fenlandbroadband on December 07, 2006, 05:59:24 pm
17:50 Thursday 7th December 2006

Premier Option 1, 8mbps Max DSL.

"Telehouse North, Juniper 1" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as ptn-ag1.

Code:
tracert www.bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.86]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.1.1
  2    15 ms    16 ms    15 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.123]
  3    13 ms    15 ms    15 ms  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.18]
  4    13 ms    13 ms    11 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    14 ms    13 ms    15 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    14 ms    14 ms    13 ms  212.58.238.133
  7    13 ms    14 ms    14 ms  www41.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.86]

Trace complete.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64255578.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64256194.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)


DSL Status :   Up     
DSL Modulation Mode :   GDMT     
DSL Path Mode :   FAST     
Downstream Rate :   8128 Kbps     
Upstream Rate :   448 Kbps     
Downstream Margin :   11 db     
Upstream Margin :   23 db     
Downstream Line Attenuation :   8     
Upstream Line Attenuation :   6

Other info: DNS lookups seem to be taking a long time. I'm fed up. I'd be better off on another ISP. It's nearly the weekend. I can't wait (actually, it'll be slow again won't it? Oh great...)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: thesuttons on December 07, 2006, 06:26:29 pm
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64246758.png)
http://www.speedtest.net/result/64246758.png
Makes you wonder why I'm paying £16 a month for this "lightning" speed.
Has anyone any idea of when or if this will be resolved?
I don't really want to hear about the "gaffer box" connection not being compliant with the latest BT "Ubercringe Wiring" or that the split differentials being over-biased to the current contention ratio.  I just want it to work properly in the way it was described when I started to pay for this SERVICE.  I am still paying for a "service" that is not performing.  If it was a car I would have traded it in or scrapped it by now.  Not happy at all.
The only reason I'm still here is the free web space but I am now looking to move my web site and with that I shall probably be off.  I have enough hassle in my life without my computer (ISP) turning on me I can assure you.
sqsutton@hotmail.com
PS There isn't an emoticon with enough expression on it's face for me to use to sum up how I feel.  How about this(http://www.thesuttons.plus.com/PissedOff.gif)or even this (http://www.thesuttons.plus.com/SMCC/images/tangry.gif)..?


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: scarymonkey on December 07, 2006, 06:38:37 pm
I've just been doing some testing of nntp downloads trying to help diagnose a bug in Newsrover and was suprised to be downloading at an average 486KB (and therefore just about Maxing my line at present). I also tested at speedtest.net and got

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64266498.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64267318.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

I am currently connected to the "Telehouse East, Juniper 4" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as pte-ag2.

Also my exchange (Evesham) is red and has been for months now.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: zpeterk on December 07, 2006, 07:23:24 pm
ptn-ag2 
sync at 8128

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.86]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    27 ms    39 ms    28 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.53]
  2    25 ms    25 ms    24 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.106]
  3    23 ms    24 ms    24 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  4    26 ms    28 ms    25 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  5    24 ms    24 ms    23 ms  212.58.238.149
  6    24 ms    25 ms    24 ms  www41.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.86]

Trace complete.
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64275493.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64281560.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: paulh on December 07, 2006, 07:26:43 pm
19:20ish Thursday 7th Dec 06
BB+
pte-ag2.

   DS Actual Rate          :  8128000 bps   US Actual Rate       :   448000 bps
   DS maximum Rate         :  8128000 bps   US maximum Rate      :   448000 bps
   DS Path Mode            :        Fast    US Path Mode         :        Fast
   NE Current Attenuation  :     8.5  dB    Cur SNR Margin       :    13.0  dB
   Far Current Attenuation :     5.5  dB    Far SNR Margin       :    20.0  dB
   
Interleave OFF; MSR 8000

DERBY  (http://www.speedtest.net/result/64279615.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
LONDON (http://www.speedtest.net/result/64280011.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

NB These are peak speeds ... for about half the test time the speed is stuttering around 150-160kbps, until the download "gets establshed" . No doubt why browsing is so jaggy and laggy ...

1     1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms draytek2800vg [172.16.0.1]
  2   430 ms   122 ms   380 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.72]
  3    23 ms    22 ms    24 ms  ge0-0-0-504.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.89]
  4    22 ms    23 ms    22 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    22 ms    22 ms    23 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    26 ms    21 ms    24 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    27 ms    23 ms    24 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    24 ms    22 ms    22 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    24 ms    23 ms    24 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    25 ms    25 ms    23 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

LONGGGGGGG second hop!


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: fenlandbroadband on December 07, 2006, 08:02:16 pm
19:45 Thursday 7th December 2006

Premier Option 1, 8Mbps Max DSL

"Telehouse North, Juniper 1" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as ptn-ag1.

Code:
tracert www.bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.227.79]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.1.1
  2    15 ms    14 ms    15 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.123]
  3    14 ms    13 ms    12 ms  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.17]
  4    13 ms    14 ms    13 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    17 ms    14 ms    13 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6   101 ms   319 ms   227 ms  212.58.238.133
  7    13 ms    16 ms    14 ms  212.58.238.145
  8    13 ms    16 ms    13 ms  www9.rbsov.bbc.co.uk [212.58.227.79]

Trace complete.

I can't do the Speedtest.net as the page isn't showing the test locations on the map.

BBMax checker has given:

176  (22KB/sec)
176  (22KB/sec)
144  (18KB/sec!!  :x)

BT Speedtester (whilst connected to PN) has timed out because it too TOO LONG!

I actually just disconnected from PN and tried dial-up - it was faster. I kid you not.

Other info: PlusTalk isn't working tonight - no connection to SIP server.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: thesuttons on December 07, 2006, 08:18:34 pm
Not particulary helpfull but it filled in the time whilest waiting for pages to download...
(http://www.thesuttons.plus.com/PlusNet.gif)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Tam on December 07, 2006, 08:25:20 pm
20:10 07/12/06

PlusNet Business Premier 8Mb

You are currently connected to the "Telehouse East, Juniper 4" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as pte-ag2.)

C:\>tracert www.bbc.co.uk
Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.126]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
  1     1 ms    <1 ms     3 ms  router-gw.uppersystem.co.uk [212.56.103.65]
  2    28 ms    31 ms    25 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.72]
  3    24 ms    24 ms    26 ms  ge0-0-0-504.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.89]
  4    24 ms    25 ms    24 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    27 ms    24 ms    24 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    27 ms    25 ms    26 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    28 ms    26 ms    30 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    28 ms    75 ms    26 ms  www26.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.126]
Trace complete.

4) Speedtests taken from http://www.speedtest.net using the Derby and the London Servers (post the images using the links they provide)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64280622.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64293907.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Video downloads about 145Kb/sec quite spiky.

Interleaved Mode
Down Stream    7552 Kb/s
Up Stream    832 Kb/s



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 07, 2006, 09:10:08 pm
Time: 20:45 onwards

Product: Premier Option 1.

Gateway: pte-ag1

Tracert to bbc.co.uk:

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    45 ms    49 ms    59 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    48 ms    44 ms    45 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    47 ms    48 ms    49 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    51 ms    46 ms    46 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    54 ms    46 ms    45 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    45 ms    47 ms    47 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    44 ms    45 ms    45 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    47 ms    47 ms    49 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    49 ms    47 ms    46 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64308598.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64309053.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

AL Wyse interview:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Al_Wyse200612072050.jpg)

Router stats:

US bit rate: 448 kbps interleaved
DS bit rate: 8128 kbps interleaved
US noise margin upstream: 26 db
DS noise margin downstream: 14 db

Router - Zyxel P2602HWL-61
Computer running Win2000, Norton Antivirus

Just thought I'd do one more test today and got the best result in 3 days at about this time in peak.
Considering there is non-exclusive use (4 computers connected at this end) that wasn't bad.
All the previous tests had exclusive web access.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: dusty_bin on December 07, 2006, 09:10:44 pm
21:03 PAYG 6240 kb/s sync
You are currently connected to the "Telehouse East, Juniper 3" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as pte-ag1.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64314312.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64314927.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Code:
  1   <10 ms   <10 ms   <10 ms  my-router [192.168.1.1]
  2    18 ms    17 ms    17 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    14 ms    14 ms    13 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.1]
  4    14 ms    15 ms    13 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    20 ms    16 ms    16 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    17 ms    17 ms    15 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    16 ms    14 ms    16 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    14 ms    15 ms    13 ms  212.58.238.33
  9    16 ms    17 ms    16 ms  pos6-0.rt0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.30]
 10    17 ms    18 ms    15 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: changi on December 07, 2006, 09:22:00 pm


Force9 Broadband Premier Option 1
"Telehouse East, Juniper 3" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as pte-ag1

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64314953.png)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64317431.png)

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1   <10 ms   <10 ms   <10 ms  192.168.1.1
  2    20 ms    20 ms    31 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    20 ms    30 ms    20 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.1]
  4    21 ms    30 ms    40 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    20 ms    20 ms    30 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6   100 ms    20 ms    40 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    20 ms    30 ms    20 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    20 ms    30 ms    20 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    20 ms    20 ms    30 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    30 ms    20 ms    30 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Abysmal - that's the best I have seen in days. At the very least I should downgrade to the cheap service, but it would still be worse than I am paying for.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jelv1 on December 07, 2006, 09:23:49 pm
Tests started at 21:10

ptn-ag2, PAYG, 8MB sync, stable rate 8000

Code:
Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  dg834 [192.168.0.1]
  2    19 ms    19 ms    14 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.53]
  3    14 ms    11 ms    11 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.106]
  4    15 ms    12 ms    12 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    13 ms    11 ms    13 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    13 ms    12 ms    11 ms  212.58.238.133
  7    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  212.58.238.36
  8    15 ms    14 ms    16 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
  9    13 ms    13 ms    14 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64316434.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64316697.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

The interview I downloaded twice (graph attached). First time normal download using Firefox, second time using GetRight with 4 segments - this complete in 1 min 32 secs - average speed 734.9kB/s


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jelv1 on December 07, 2006, 09:26:57 pm
Just what is going on? I've just posted results that the best I've seen in the evening and very little from what I get in the day and while I was composing the post someone else has posted dire results!


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: changi on December 07, 2006, 09:39:27 pm
Wish I knew why I get dead slow and others don't. F9 can't even give me a decent 2MB service, no hope for 8MB.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: paulh on December 07, 2006, 10:01:35 pm
21:55ish Thursday 7th Dec 06
BB+
pte-ag2.

   DS Actual Rate          :  8128000 bps   US Actual Rate       :   448000 bps
   DS maximum Rate         :  8128000 bps   US maximum Rate      :   448000 bps
   DS Path Mode            :        Fast    US Path Mode         :        Fast
   NE Current Attenuation  :     8.5  dB    Cur SNR Margin       :    13.0  dB
   Far Current Attenuation :     5.5  dB    Far SNR Margin       :    20.0  dB
   
Interleave OFF; MSR 8000

DERBY  (http://www.speedtest.net/result/64329681.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
LONDON (http://www.speedtest.net/result/64329932.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Browsing has become almost pointless; also tried a couple of http downloads (small, <10MB) and my browser (Opera) reported 10-15KB/s
Been a really happy customer for about a year. always worth my 15 quid. last fortnight performance has just got worse and worse and worse. not happy. not worth a fiver to be frank.

 1     1 ms    <1 ms     1 ms  draytek2800vg  [172.16.0.1]
 2    23 ms    22 ms    21 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.72]
 3    23 ms    22 ms    21 ms  ge0-0-0-504.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.89]
 4   136 ms    22 ms    22 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
 5    21 ms    22 ms    23 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
 6    25 ms    23 ms    25 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
 7    23 ms    23 ms    24 ms  212.58.238.149
 8    22 ms    23 ms    22 ms  212.58.238.36
 9    23 ms    24 ms    24 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
10    23 ms    25 ms    24 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: cjags on December 07, 2006, 10:35:00 pm
PAYG up to 8M on 7-dec-2006 at 22:30

BRAS still 1000 :( :(

You are currently connected to the "Telehouse East, Juniper 4" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as pte-ag2.

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     2 ms     1 ms     1 ms  BelkinModem.home.cjags.plus.com [192.168.0.1]
  2    56 ms    39 ms   104 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.72]
  3    38 ms    44 ms    45 ms  ge0-0-0-504.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.89]
  4    40 ms    44 ms    45 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    45 ms    44 ms    46 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    45 ms    44 ms    45 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    47 ms    44 ms    46 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    42 ms    44 ms    45 ms  212.58.238.33
  9    42 ms    48 ms    42 ms  pos6-0.rt0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.30]
 10    47 ms    46 ms    45 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64339637.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
London:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64339869.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Router:
LocalSNRMargin                                     = 16.5 dB
LocalLineAttn                                      = 47.5 dB
RawAttn                                            = 47.5 dB
LocalTxPower                                       = 11.7 dB
LocalInterleavedChannelRxRate                      = 1728000
LocalInterleavedChannelTxRate                      = 448000
RemoteLineAttn                                     = 26.5 dB
RemoteSNRMargin                                    = 16 dB



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: The Flying Gribble on December 07, 2006, 11:15:22 pm
Has anybody else noticed that slowdowns seem to be happening before the 4pm start of peak and finishing about 11pm?  I just got this:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64352748.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

after earlier getting this:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64323676.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

and this:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64287260.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Do you think PN forgot to put the clocks back on the Ellacoyas?  :roll:

The rest of the info for the 11pm test:

BB+, < 1Gb used this month, not been a naughty boy recently.

Stable Rate : 6500kbps today

You are currently connected to the "Telehouse East, Juniper 4" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as pte-ag2.
Quote
Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  www.routerlogin.com []
  2    22 ms    25 ms    21 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag2.plus.net []
  3    21 ms    22 ms    22 ms  ge0-0-0-504.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.89]
  4    23 ms    21 ms    21 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    23 ms    21 ms    21 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    23 ms    23 ms    22 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    22 ms    23 ms    21 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    23 ms    21 ms    22 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    23 ms    25 ms    23 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    25 ms    23 ms    23 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Router stats:
Quote
ADSL Link            Downstream    Upstream
Connection Speed    6816 kbps    448 kbps
Line Attenuation    33 db            10.5 db
Noise Margin             5 db       17 db




Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jheffer on December 08, 2006, 07:28:22 am
Some off peak data

7am PAYG account.Yes I know the uploads are high and I am not on LLU. Itís because I used to be on a different product and I guess it was simpler to leave it as it was.

You are currently connected to the "Telehouse North, Juniper 2" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as ptn-ag2.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64442246.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.


Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.124]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.7.1
  2    12 ms    20 ms    11 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.53]
  3    11 ms    11 ms    11 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.106]
  4    11 ms    11 ms    11 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    12 ms    11 ms    11 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    11 ms    11 ms    11 ms  212.58.238.149
  7    11 ms    11 ms    11 ms  www24.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.124]

Trace complete.


--> adsl show perf
Downstream :
  Noise Margin  : 9.0 dB
  Attenuation   : 21.5 dB
  Output Power  : 22
Upstream :
  Noise Margin  : 6.5 dB
  Attenuation   : 11.5 dB
  Output Power  : 10

Having trouble in getting rid of the Wyse video from cache  !!!!! so that will have to wait

Exchange is red has been for a couple of weeks

JohnH

 Edit   Wired connection.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: LC100 on December 08, 2006, 07:31:37 am
Hi

Are people getting these sudden jumps down in speed using wireless connections or wired connections?  I think it is important to state what you are using.

If using wireless does a wired connection resolve it?  Just thinking it could be neighbours switching on their wireless equipment causing wireless traffic to be interrupted/slowed or latency during busy times on PlusNet's network causing issues with Windows XP.  Windows XP has a problem coping with it's automatic adjustment of RWIN on wireless connections that can see some very strange speed results where latency varies.  I've seen wireless speeds drop to around 500-1000 on my PlusNet connection, with wired giving 6000+, luckily I can switch easily between the two, I put it down to it just being wireless and knew it wasn't PlusNet because I could make a direct comparison.  Doing a Google I found various references to Windows XP and wireless performance and sure enough fixing RWIN using DrTCP saw wireless speeds jump straight up to 6000+.  I've seen this on every PC using a  wireless connection, i.e. inconsistant speeds when RWIN hasn't be set so Windows XP is auto-adjusting that value.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: The Flying Gribble on December 08, 2006, 07:56:04 am
Are people getting these sudden jumps down in speed using wireless connections or wired connections?  I think it is important to state what you are using.

I'm connected wired to a Netgear DG834g.  I just downloaded all 500Mb of the lastestDirectX SDK from Microsoft at an average speed of 610KB/s  :-D 

Why can't I have that *all* the time???


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: paulh on December 08, 2006, 08:17:06 am
08:00ish Friday 8th Dec 06
BB+
pte-ag2.

DS Actual Rate          :  8128000 bps   US Actual Rate       :   448000 bp
DS maximum Rate         :  8128000 bps   US maximum Rate      :   448000 bp
DS Path Mode            :        Fast    US Path Mode         :        Fast
NE Current Attenuation  :     8.5  dB    Cur SNR Margin       :    13.5  dB
------------------------------- ATU-C Info --------------------------------
Far Current Attenuation :     5.5  dB    Far SNR Margin       :    20.0  dB
   
Interleave OFF; MSR 8000

1     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  draytek2800vg  [172.16.0.1]
2    21 ms    22 ms    23 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.72]
3    23 ms    22 ms    21 ms  ge0-0-0-504.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.89]
4    21 ms    21 ms    22 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
5    22 ms    21 ms    23 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
6    22 ms    22 ms    22 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
7    28 ms    22 ms    21 ms  212.58.238.149
8    23 ms    21 ms    21 ms  212.58.238.36
9    23 ms    23 ms    22 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
0    24 ms    22 ms    22 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]


DERBY  (http://www.speedtest.net/result/64449261.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
the Derby download again stuttered at sub-1MB/s speeds for a while

LONDON (http://www.speedtest.net/result/64449351.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
the London d/l started fast and then stuttered towards the end

A couple of http downloads in Opera showed circa 500KB/s
Also tried an ftp d/l from belnet.be and got circa 450KB/s (in Opera)

Still a substantial difference morning to evening, though the morning rates are slower than I have experienced -- before the recent slowdown I could get neary 6MB/s a.m. and usually well over 4MB/s even at 8pm.

I only use wireless now but never found a difference wired to wireless (if anything wireless "seems" faster.

Things are actually deteriorating here and I wonder if BB+ customers are at the bottom of the pile?


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: godsell4 on December 08, 2006, 09:29:11 am
Are people ... using wireless connections or wired connections?  I think it is important to state what you are using.

My tests are all done wirelessly set to 802.11b only.

Were you suspecting that some people were alternating between using wired vs wireless and this being their reason for different speed test results?

SW.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jelv1 on December 08, 2006, 10:07:47 am
For the test results to have meaning, it needs to be known that the speeds are as a result of BT or Plusnet limitations. Sub-standard results from wireless are not at all uncommon, so some verification that, if using wireless, the possibility of it being a problem within the user's network has been eliminated would be in order.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Oldjim on December 08, 2006, 10:17:35 am
Wired ptn-ag1
PAYG 3000kbps stable rate
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64460518.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64460723.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Quote
Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    43 ms    99 ms    99 ms  speedtouch.lan [192.168.1.254]
  2    37 ms    35 ms    37 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.]
  3    38 ms    37 ms    36 ms  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.18]
  4    36 ms    35 ms    36 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    37 ms    37 ms    36 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    36 ms    36 ms    36 ms  212.58.238.133
  7    36 ms    36 ms    39 ms  212.58.238.33
  8    38 ms    37 ms    36 ms  pos6-0.rt0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.30]
  9    38 ms    38 ms    37 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: OldDave on December 08, 2006, 01:20:29 pm
PAYG 15GB special offer
Gateway PTN-AG2
Wired Connection to DSL G604T

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.226.232]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  mygateway.ar7 [192.168.1.1]
  2    12 ms    17 ms    21 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.53]
  3    13 ms    10 ms    10 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.105]
  4    13 ms    11 ms    14 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    11 ms    13 ms    10 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    11 ms    11 ms    10 ms  212.58.238.133
  7    11 ms    11 ms    11 ms  212.58.238.145
  8    10 ms    10 ms    10 ms  www.bbc.co.uk [212.58.226.232]


(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64476499.png)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64476419.png)

Router Stats
Speed 8128 /448
Margin  4/25
Attn 28/25



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: LC100 on December 08, 2006, 01:21:22 pm
Hi

Quote
Were you suspecting that some people were alternating between using wired vs wireless and this being their reason for different speed test results?

My concern is that wireless might perform really well sometimes and not so well other times, for example at peak times more people are using their broadband which may also be wireless.  For someone to get around 4000Kbs then later that drops down to 100kbs and is then less than their upload speed doesn't ring true of being entirely PlusNets doing.

Because Windows XP dynamically resizes RWIN on the fly (unless it has been set manually) it seems to get confused to what the correct setting is when a wireless connection is in use, probably due to additional latency and bursty transmissions from the wireless point (which will increase when other wireless points nearby start being used) confusing Windows XP from setting the correct RWIN values.

A wired connection takes away the variables of a wireless connection.



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: godsell4 on December 08, 2006, 02:38:26 pm

My concern is that wireless might perform really well sometimes and not so well other times, for example at peak times more people are using their broadband which may also be wireless.


You mean my neighbours wireless connection interfering with mine? That is of course possible and could be a problem for some.

I know a machine wired directly to the DG834G behaves the same as my laptop and PS2 (both wireless). As for my neighbours, well I have not seen the cows and sheep next to me with computers so its unlikely to be a problem for me. ;)

SW.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jheffer on December 08, 2006, 06:24:51 pm
18:00 figures PAYG. Higher upload then normal PAYG this is because itís a legacy account.

Hard wired Router. (Know too much about radio wave propagation to use wireless.)

You are currently connected to the "Telehouse North, Juniper 2" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as ptn-ag2.

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.115]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.7.1
  2    17 ms    18 ms    13 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.53]
  3    16 ms    12 ms    11 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.105]
  4    14 ms    11 ms    11 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    16 ms    11 ms    12 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    13 ms    13 ms    11 ms  212.58.238.133
  7    15 ms    15 ms    11 ms  www15.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.115]

Trace complete.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64543853.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

--> adsl show perf
Downstream :
  Noise Margin  : 9.0 dB
  Attenuation   : 21.5 dB
  Output Power  : 22
Upstream :
  Noise Margin  : 6.5 dB
  Attenuation   : 11.5 dB
  Output Power  : 10

--> adsl show rate
Data Path : Fast
  Downstream Bit Rate : 8128 Kbps
  Upstream   Bit Rate : 832 Kbps

-->

Exchange VP is now Green. It was this morning only I didnít check before I sent this mornings data.

Still canít get rid of  the Al Wyse interview. I have cleared the cache (Firefox) but it is obviously still there. 

John H


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: The Flying Gribble on December 08, 2006, 06:25:34 pm
Blimey! Just got this:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64552549.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
Whatever they've done, it seems to have made a difference here. Still, better not count my chickens.... I'll try again at 8.30


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: paulh on December 08, 2006, 06:50:07 pm
18:40ish Friday 8th Dec 06
BB+
pte-ag1
  --------------------------- ATU-R Info (annex A) ----------------------------
   DS Actual Rate          :  8128000 bps   US Actual Rate       :   448000 bps
   DS maximum Rate         :  8128000 bps   US maximum Rate      :   448000 bps
   DS Path Mode            :        Fast    US Path Mode         :        Fast
   NE Current Attenuation  :     8.5  dB    Cur SNR Margin       :    14.5  dB
    -------------------------------- ATU-C Info ---------------------------------
   Far Current Attenuation :     5.5  dB    Far SNR Margin       :    25.0  dB
   CO ITU Version[0]       : 00000000       CO ITU Version[1]    : 00000000
   
Interleave OFF; MSR 8000


  1     1 ms    <1 ms     1 ms  draytek2800vg [172.16.0.1]
  2    25 ms    33 ms    22 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    26 ms    24 ms    20 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    22 ms    26 ms    21 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    23 ms    21 ms    20 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    21 ms    22 ms    22 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    24 ms    22 ms    22 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    22 ms    22 ms    23 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    26 ms    25 ms    22 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    24 ms    25 ms    23 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]


DERBY(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64557299.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

LONDON (http://www.speedtest.net/result/64557663.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Something's changed ... however it took my router hour and a quarter to get a connection ... constant ldp timeouts. exchange still shwoign as red but that may be out of date info of course


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Moose on December 08, 2006, 06:54:16 pm
I can report Full speed up/down and low latency again...in fact its as good a speed as i've had for months.
Whatever they have d one it seem to be working for me...At the moment anyhow.

 Though i saw a post by Chesterfield at the PN forums showing terrible speed/latency still, so it's obviously not fixed for everyone yet.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jelv1 on December 08, 2006, 08:48:11 pm
Not so good this evening - Test started at 20:40

ptn-ag2 PAYG 8M sync & stable rate

Code:
Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  dg834 [192.168.0.1]
  2    15 ms    12 ms    13 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.53]
  3    14 ms    19 ms    15 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.106]
  4    17 ms    12 ms    12 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    14 ms    12 ms    13 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    14 ms    15 ms    12 ms  212.58.238.133
  7    11 ms    12 ms    15 ms  212.58.238.36
  8    14 ms    14 ms    13 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
  9    19 ms    13 ms    13 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64592365.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64592583.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Al Wyse a lot slower tonight - graph attached


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jheffer on December 08, 2006, 09:24:27 pm
21:15 figures PAYG. Higher upload then normal PAYG this is because itís a legacy account.

Hard wired Router.

You are currently connected to the "Telehouse North, Juniper 2" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as ptn-ag2.

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.87]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.7.1
  2    15 ms    19 ms    12 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128
  3    13 ms    20 ms    12 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.105
  4    15 ms    11 ms    11 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    12 ms    14 ms    14 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    14 ms    11 ms    12 ms  212.58.238.133
  7    13 ms    12 ms    12 ms  www50.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.87]

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64601760.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)


--> adsl show rate
Data Path : Fast
  Downstream Bit Rate : 8128 Kbps
  Upstream   Bit Rate : 832 Kbps

--> adsl show perf
Downstream :
  Noise Margin  : 9.5 dB
  Attenuation   : 21.5 dB
  Output Power  : 22
Upstream :
  Noise Margin  : 6.5 dB
  Attenuation   : 11.5 dB
  Output Power  : 10



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Tam on December 08, 2006, 09:51:11 pm
Have to agree with what others have said tonight, whatever has been changed - well done, for once in an evening my line is actually usable! (which is the first time in 2 months and 6 days!!)


Of course - i always knew this would happen 1 day after receiving my MAC !


Nothing is going to change the fact that I'm leaving, I've received 4 macs for 4 different lines so far and they'll all with Zen by xmas.


I would however be VERY interested in what has been changed, i haven't lost sync, or changed gateway, yet tonight i get this
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64611638.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: fenlandbroadband on December 08, 2006, 09:56:20 pm
Speeds are much faster for me tonight too - handy for the night I requested my MAC, as it's helped the searching around for another ISP  :-P

But, DNS seems to be playing up the last half hour or so:

Code:
tracert www.plus.net

Tracing route to portal.plus.net [212.159.8.137]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.1.1
  2    14 ms    13 ms    14 ms  195.166.128.53
  3    14 ms    12 ms    13 ms  84.92.3.105
  4    13 ms    13 ms    13 ms  195.166.129.10
  5    22 ms    20 ms    22 ms  195.166.129.250
  6    25 ms    21 ms    21 ms  212.159.0.30
  7    21 ms    21 ms    20 ms  212.159.1.36
  8    21 ms    21 ms    21 ms  212.159.8.137

Trace complete.


edit: put the opendns servers in, and straight away everything worked fine... hmm.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 08, 2006, 10:44:07 pm
Time: 22:25 onwards

Product: Premier Option 1.

Gateway: pte-ag1

Tracert to bbc.co.uk:

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    45 ms    46 ms    46 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    46 ms    45 ms    44 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    44 ms    47 ms    44 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    43 ms    44 ms    45 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    44 ms    47 ms    44 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    45 ms    44 ms    44 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    45 ms    44 ms    44 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    46 ms    47 ms    46 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    45 ms    46 ms    50 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64623993.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64624241.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

AL Wyse interview:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Al_Wyse200612082233.jpg)

Router stats:

US bit rate: 448 kbps interleaved
DS bit rate: 8128 kbps interleaved
US noise margin upstream: 26 db
DS noise margin downstream: 14 db

Router - Zyxel P2602HWL-61
Computer running Win2000, Norton Antivirus

One test today and got another reasonable result.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: godsell4 on December 08, 2006, 11:10:55 pm

PAYG 15GB £20/month

Everything seems to be quick tonight. Getting 1.5 to 2 Mb on all protocols, even gaming seems viable, tomorrow will be a real test. :-D

SW.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: wildmind on December 09, 2006, 08:32:21 am
Sorry I haven't posted guys - things have been hectic in the windy household (easily understandable considering the time of year and the fact that the in-laws run a christmas tree farm!!!)

However - I did some quick checks myself and also found a major improvement at times. Most of the speeds tests were hitting the MSR (which is still 3000 despite being synched at 4000+ for weeks) although there were points where I was hitting only 1000.

Incidentally. I realise that speedtests aren't 100% accurate and can give skewed results but the series of tests I drew up were designed to give a wide range of results and, even allowing for inaccuracies, we have seen very clear differences in the results which do seem to show that some customers have been having a shite time of it whilst others have been OK.



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: paulh on December 09, 2006, 09:59:40 am
09:50ish Saturday 9th  Dec 06
BB+
pte-ag1
  --------------------------- ATU-R Info (annex A) ----------------------------
   DS Actual Rate          :  8128000 bps   US Actual Rate       :   448000 bps
   DS maximum Rate         :  8128000 bps   US maximum Rate      :   448000 bps
   DS Path Mode            :        Fast    US Path Mode         :        Fast
   NE Current Attenuation  :     8.5  dB    Cur SNR Margin       :    14.5  dB
    -------------------------------- ATU-C Info ---------------------------------
   Far Current Attenuation :     5.5  dB    Far SNR Margin       :    25.0  dB
   CO ITU Version[0]       : 00000000       CO ITU Version[1]    : 00000000
   
Interleave OFF; MSR 8000


   1     1 ms     1 ms    <1 ms  draytek2800vg [172.16.0.1]
  2    22 ms    22 ms    21 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    21 ms    27 ms    20 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    22 ms    22 ms    22 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    21 ms    21 ms    21 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    21 ms    21 ms    22 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    23 ms    22 ms    22 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    21 ms    23 ms    21 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    23 ms    23 ms    22 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    23 ms    37 ms    24 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]


Speedtest.net's image service broke on this visit, but I got 5MB/s Derby and 3MB/s London,
so 2MB/s discrepancy there, probably explicable by paths, but all staying very responsive for 24 hours now.
Can they keep it up?


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 09, 2006, 03:27:45 pm
Time: 15:00 onwards

Product: Premier Option 1.

Gateway: pte-ag1

Tracert to bbc.co.uk:

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    47 ms    50 ms    44 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    43 ms    43 ms    44 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    46 ms    44 ms    46 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    44 ms    46 ms    43 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    45 ms    45 ms    46 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    46 ms    46 ms    43 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    47 ms    46 ms    44 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    47 ms    47 ms    46 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    46 ms    48 ms    50 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:

speedtest.net database offline at present so they are not recording details.
Off screen data:

Time 15:01
Download speed  5353 kb/s
Upload speed 367 kb/s
Latency 125 ms
Server Derby
Distance ~ 100 mi

London:

speedtest.net database offline at present so they are not recording details.
Off screen data:

Time 15:02
Download speed  4563 kb/s
Upload speed 370 kb/s
Latency 70 ms
Server London
Distance ~ 200 mi

AL Wyse interview:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Al_Wyse200612091510.jpg)

Router stats:

US bit rate: 448 kbps interleaved
DS bit rate: 8128 kbps interleaved
US noise margin upstream: 26 db
DS noise margin downstream: 14 db

Router - Zyxel P2602HWL-61
Computer running Win2000, Norton Antivirus


neilarmstrong wrote on the Plusnet forum:
Saturday afternoon will start to give a better idea. Sunday afternoon and Monday night are the real peak times that will test whether what we have done is working for the majority.

This is a Saturday afternoon test.
Speedtest.net database was offline so results were not recorded there.
Brief pauses during Al Wyse interview download.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jelv1 on December 10, 2006, 12:52:25 pm
Something I've wondered for some time:

If Sunday afternoon is the real peak time, why does peak time for allowances etc. start at 4pm?


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: portmoak on December 10, 2006, 03:14:06 pm
PAYG stable sync rate 5600kb. (F9 says "Your current broadband speed is 5000 Kbps")
Sunday afternoon which is supposed to be a peak time and I'm getting repeatable 3.8-4.2Mb D/L and no significant pauses which is the best I've had for some time.

So whatever is being done at PN towers seems to be doing it for me!



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jelv1 on December 10, 2006, 03:38:46 pm
I've just tried the tests - to keep it short the speeds were fine. Speedtest.net 5500+, interview 700KBs with far less fluctuations than I have been seeing.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 10, 2006, 03:39:46 pm
Time: 15:20 onwards

Product: Premier Option 1.

Gateway: pte-ag1

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    48 ms    45 ms    45 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    44 ms    43 ms    43 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    44 ms    46 ms    44 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    47 ms    44 ms    46 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    44 ms    48 ms    45 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    44 ms    48 ms    45 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    47 ms    47 ms    44 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    46 ms    48 ms    48 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    50 ms    45 ms    48 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64925380.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64925520.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

AL Wyse interview:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Al_Wyse200612101520.jpg)

Router stats:

US bit rate: 448 kbps interleaved
DS bit rate: 8128 kbps interleaved
US noise margin upstream: 26 db
DS noise margin downstream: 13 db

Router - Zyxel P2602HWL-61
Computer running Win2000, Norton Antivirus


neilarmstrong wrote on the Plusnet forum:
Saturday afternoon will start to give a better idea. Sunday afternoon and Monday night are the real peak times that will test whether what we have done is working for the majority.

This is a Sunday afternoon test.
Brief pauses during Al Wyse interview download.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Oldjim on December 10, 2006, 04:27:52 pm
Speeds fine - no problems


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: dusty_bin on December 10, 2006, 08:04:12 pm
20:00 PAYG 6240kb/s sync 5500 kb/s BT profile
lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net

Achieved speed seems to have got a bit worse:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64980752.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64981309.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
Code:
  1   <10 ms   <10 ms   <10 ms  my-router [192.168.1.1]
  2    14 ms    13 ms    17 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.53]
  3    15 ms    14 ms    13 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.105]
  4    17 ms    16 ms    14 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    15 ms    14 ms    15 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    15 ms    17 ms    17 ms  212.58.238.149
  7    15 ms    14 ms    15 ms  212.58.238.33
  8    17 ms    14 ms    15 ms  pos6-0.rt0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.30]
  9    19 ms    15 ms    17 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Oldjim on December 10, 2006, 08:11:52 pm
Confirmed - gone poor again PAYG stable rate 3000kbps synch 3552 kbps 20:10
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64983530.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64983748.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: chesterfield on December 10, 2006, 08:12:06 pm
Just to add another update....

A BT speedtest shows just under 2mbps.  Which clearly shows some BT contention taking effect as I am connected at 4mbps.

Anyway - 2mb is fine at peak times.

HOWEVER....

Connect via PN and several speedtests and download tests show speeds at below 200kbps.  PN's own at 130.

Anyone care to provide some reasoning why I can get almost 2mbps throughmy exchange at peak time, but only 150-200kbps through PN?  Latency is great too - only 500ms plus today..  Resulting in being ejected/disconnected from several xbox live sessions.

I never did receive a response from PN as to why my friend on 512k through the same exchange could get faster speeds and lower latency figures than me at the same time either...

Strange how some posts/questions are ignored..


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jheffer on December 10, 2006, 08:50:06 pm
PAYG account.. 

Speed not too good today.

You are currently connected to the "Telehouse North, Juniper 2" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as ptn-ag2.

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.226.232]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.7.1
  2    15 ms    13 ms    12 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.53]
  3    13 ms    12 ms    13 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.106]
  4    12 ms    17 ms    14 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    17 ms    11 ms    12 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    13 ms    14 ms    12 ms  212.58.238.149
  7    14 ms    12 ms    12 ms  212.58.238.161
  8    17 ms    11 ms    12 ms  212.58.226.232

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64990232.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)


JohnH


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jheffer on December 10, 2006, 09:08:38 pm
And as a follow up, BT speed test is fine !!!!!!

IP profile for your line is - 7150 kbps
    Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 5753 kbps


So it's PN end thats treacle tonight.

JohnH


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 10, 2006, 09:30:22 pm
Time: 21:10 onwards

Product: Premier Option 1.

Gateway: pte-ag1

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    45 ms    45 ms    50 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    45 ms    44 ms    46 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    44 ms    47 ms    44 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    44 ms    46 ms    46 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    45 ms    43 ms    44 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    44 ms    46 ms    47 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    47 ms    45 ms    44 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    48 ms    46 ms    47 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    46 ms    47 ms    45 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64997868.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/64998063.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

AL Wyse interview:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Al_Wyse200612102118.jpg)

Router stats:

US bit rate: 448 kbps interleaved
DS bit rate: 8128 kbps interleaved
US noise margin upstream: 26 db
DS noise margin downstream: 13 db

Router - Zyxel P2602HWL-61
Computer running Win2000, Norton Antivirus


neilarmstrong wrote on the Plusnet forum:
Saturday afternoon will start to give a better idea. Sunday afternoon and Monday night are the real peak times that will test whether what we have done is working for the majority.

This is an extra Sunday test because I noticed others were having slower results this evening.
Brief pauses during Al Wyse interview download - not as fast as this afternoon.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jelv1 on December 10, 2006, 11:55:49 pm
A BT speedtest shows just under 2mbps.  Which clearly shows some BT contention taking effect as I am connected at 4mbps.

Which BT speedtest - connected using usual details or using the special BT speedtest login?


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: chesterfield on December 11, 2006, 10:49:12 am
Connected using the BT login, so as to bypass PN.  I can receive at approx 2mb or just under at peak times - almost 4mb off peak.

off peak with PN, I can almost max out that connection on Http if I wanted to, but on peak, speeds are a lot slower.  Gaming also drops out quite often.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: bobp on December 11, 2006, 07:15:00 pm
1.  18:36, PAYG

2.  ptn-ag1

3.
  Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.227.72] over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  voyager.home [192.168.1.1]
  2    31 ms    30 ms    28 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.123]
  3    29 ms    28 ms    29 ms  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw2.plus.net [84.92.3.18]
  4    29 ms    27 ms    30 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    29 ms    29 ms    29 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    30 ms    30 ms    29 ms  212.58.238.149
  7    30 ms    31 ms    30 ms  212.58.238.161
  8    29 ms    29 ms    29 ms  www.bbc.co.uk [212.58.227.72]

Trace complete.

4.Derby
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/65203648.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/65204244.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

5.  attached

Statistics        Downstream     Upstream 
 Line Rate         5728 Kbps      448 Kbps 
 Noise Margin         9.2 dB       22.0 dB 
 Line Attenuation    37.5 dB       24.0 dB 
 Output Power       19.7 dBm      11.9 dBm



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: dusty_bin on December 11, 2006, 08:54:51 pm
Yes, it's gone a bit pants tonight

20:45 PAYG sync 6816 kb/s, but I've only just increased it, so BT profile is still 5500 kb/s
lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/65240847.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/65241371.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

1495 kb/s from dslzoneuk
1075.26 kb/s from adslguide
Code:
1   <10 ms   <10 ms   <10 ms  my-router [192.168.1.1]
 2    16 ms    15 ms    17 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.123]
 3    15 ms    14 ms    16 ms  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.17]
 4    17 ms    16 ms    16 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
 5    21 ms    17 ms    15 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
 6    15 ms    14 ms    16 ms  212.58.238.149
 7    15 ms    14 ms    15 ms  212.58.238.33
 8    15 ms    15 ms    15 ms  pos6-0.rt0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.30]
 9    18 ms    17 ms    17 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: godsell4 on December 11, 2006, 09:03:00 pm
Not good.

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.226.232]

  1     4 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.0.55
  2    30 ms    36 ms    29 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.72]
  3    27 ms    27 ms    28 ms  ge0-0-0-504.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.90]
  4    29 ms    27 ms    27 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    28 ms    29 ms    28 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    30 ms    30 ms    28 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    28 ms    28 ms    27 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    29 ms    31 ms    28 ms  212.58.238.141
  9    30 ms    31 ms    28 ms  212.58.226.232

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/65246978.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Results on BBmax similar to those from speedtest.net as shown above.

Update. Just connected to BT speedtester, the one where I change the router login details

And get The speed test has completed on test server speedtester1.nat.bt.com for user 0124912346 and you have downloaded a 1.7Mb file at a speed of

 2389 kilo bits per second (Kbps), your service bandwidth will have been quoted to you in kilo bits per second.

This also means my BRAS setting at PN in wrong too, PN have me on 1.5Mb whereas BT have me on 2.5Mb.

SW.

PS. Christmas is coming, this is the deadline from me.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: wildmind on December 11, 2006, 09:15:21 pm
Yup speeds and latency have definitely taken a downturn tonight  :evil: :x


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 11, 2006, 09:21:26 pm
Time: 21:00 onwards

Product: Premier Option 1.

Gateway: pte-ag1

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2    46 ms    47 ms    45 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    45 ms    44 ms    44 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    45 ms    44 ms    49 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    47 ms    43 ms    44 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    46 ms    44 ms    44 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    46 ms    46 ms    45 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    44 ms    47 ms    44 ms  212.58.238.36
  9    47 ms    45 ms    45 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
 10    45 ms    45 ms    47 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

Derby:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/65248163.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

London:

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/65248451.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

AL Wyse interview:

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Al_Wyse200612112108.jpg)

Router stats:

US bit rate: 448 kbps interleaved
DS bit rate: 8128 kbps interleaved
US noise margin upstream: 26 db
DS noise margin downstream: 14 db

Router - Zyxel P2602HWL-61
Computer running Win2000, Norton Antivirus


neilarmstrong wrote on the Plusnet forum:
Saturday afternoon will start to give a better idea. Sunday afternoon and Monday night are the real peak times that will test whether what we have done is working for the majority.

This is an Monday evening test.
Not as fast and latency figure higher tonight.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: chesterfield on December 11, 2006, 09:25:09 pm
Speedtest through BT - 1.99mbps

Speedtest through speedtest.net, Think broadband, Plusnet and MS http downlaod speeds show..... 150 - 200kbps.. 1/10th of BT speedtest speed.

And not a peep from PN.... :roll:


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: godsell4 on December 11, 2006, 09:55:20 pm
PAYG MaxDSL 1.5Mb limited by PN, BT says 2.5Mb.

Now on ptn-ag2.

22:00 and speeds up a little, some folks going to bed.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/65263352.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

SW


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jnwright on December 11, 2006, 10:01:40 pm
I got bored doing so many PlusNet/PUG speed tests so I did some ftp speedtests of my own.

I downloaded the user manual for my router at

ftp://ftp.europe.zyxel.com/P-2602HW-61/user_guide

using Firefox.

This file is about 12 MB and gave results probably to be expected on the Plusnet Network, although of course, they do come from outside it.

The tests were:

Sunday at 23:51

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Zyxelpdfftp2351.jpg)

Monday at 00:07

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Zyxelpdfftp0007.jpg)

Monday at 01:35

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Zyxelpdfftp0135.jpg)

Monday at 21:30

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r149/jwcumbria/Zyxelpdfftp2130.jpg)

The fastest download was before midnight and this evening it is quite slow downloading by ftp.


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Post by: godsell4 on December 11, 2006, 10:22:29 pm

And 24 mins later, pretty much maxing out my line.

Still on ptn-ag2.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/65271356.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

SW.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: ianwild on December 11, 2006, 10:26:45 pm
Thanks for the ongoing feedback guys - It's very obvious it still ain't right...

We have a pretty big team working on this as a priority, and the information in this format is certainly very helpful.

Ian


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Post by: jelv1 on December 11, 2006, 10:34:26 pm
We have a pretty big team working on this as a priority, and the information in this format is certainly very helpful.
How much would all the man hours spent by this team and the man hours spent by CSC fielding complaints about this cost added to the cost of all the lost revenue from customers who have got fed up with waiting? Compare that with the cost of an extra segment. Are you sure it has been worth it?


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Post by: godsell4 on December 12, 2006, 08:57:11 am
We have a pretty big team working on this as a priority ...

Design by Committee has always been proven to produce sub-optimal results, you have nothing left to lose but let the quiet guy have his say whoever he/she is and try it entirely their way.

SW.

edited typo


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Post by: portmoak on December 12, 2006, 10:08:37 am
We have a pretty big team working on this as a priority ...

I could put you in touch with our local council who have pretty big teams working on things. Trouble is that because none of them knows the slightest thing about the subject progress is minimal though costs are high. Hello..... Hello.....


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: allanmc on December 12, 2006, 04:54:01 pm
1) The Time the tests were taken and the Product you are on.

   16:30 on 12/12/06 Metronet PAYGo Option 2

2) The Gateway in use (this can be found by visiting http://usertools.plus.net/@gateway)

   You are currently connected to the "Telehouse East, Juniper 3" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as pte-ag1

3) A tracert to bbc.co.uk

   Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
   over a maximum of 30 hops:

     1     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  voyager.home [192.168.128.128]
     2    46 ms    46 ms    48 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
     3    46 ms    44 ms    45 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
     4    47 ms    45 ms    46 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
     5    48 ms    45 ms    46 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
     6    53 ms    45 ms    46 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
     7    47 ms    45 ms    48 ms  212.58.238.133
     8    50 ms    45 ms    45 ms  212.58.238.33
     9    48 ms    49 ms    45 ms  pos6-0.rt0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.30]
    10    49 ms    50 ms    46 ms  bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

   Trace complete.



4) Speedtests taken from http://www.speedtest.net using the Derby and the London Servers (post the images using the links they provide)

   (http://www.speedtest.net/result/65457251.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

   (http://www.speedtest.net/result/65457860.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

   
5) Using either DUMeter or NetMeter (setup exe linked) show the graph when downloading the PUG Al Wyse Interview (it's sat on our server and if we all download the same file it should give a consistent image - remember to clear your cache before downloading this if you have already watched it - which I'm sure you will have done )


   Downloaded at a max of 758 Kbps


6) Post Router stats / synch speed where possible!

   Statistics       Downstream Upstream 
   Line Rate        8096       448 
    Noise Margin     7.8 dB     22.0 dB 
    Line Attenuation 20.5 dB    12.5 dB 
    Output Power     12.3 dBm   19.8 dBm


7) Also post any other information that may be relevant.

Line always syncs at 8096. Very rarely get anything over 3 Mb on download. Anywhere from under 1 Mb to 2.5 Mb would be normal (have seen download speeds under 512Kbps).


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: godsell4 on December 12, 2006, 10:20:42 pm
On PAYG.

Everything much quicker tonight, most activities from about 9:40pm have been maxing my 1.5Mb connection. Including download .iso files just for testing.

SW.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: ianwild on December 12, 2006, 11:01:32 pm
OK - Thanks Mr Godsell.

I had a call from Mark, the head of product management at about 9PM this evening. He was saying that overall testing was showing some very good results following changes to queue sizes for Silver and Gold. More feedback this evening would be very much appreciated.

Also, as we can now see the graphs per gateway here (http://www.plus.net/support/network_performance/broadband_packets_drop.shtml), reading this all in conjunction with the gateway load would be very helpful. Is there any more info people would like to see here?

Ian


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Tam on December 12, 2006, 11:07:22 pm
I have to agree, there has been a massive noticeable improvement in speeds since late last week, certianly tonight has been a pleasure to be able to vpn into multiple servers and run programs / files without delay.


Just a shame its taken so long to get sorted..


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: godsell4 on December 13, 2006, 09:15:53 am

Now something else seems broken/stuck at BT ... does MaxDSL ever work?

BT and PN show me set to a 2500 profile. But speed tests, on BT or BBmax, show me hard limited to 1.5Mb which was my OLD profile of a few days ago.

Test1 comprises of Best Effort Test:  -provides background information.
    IP profile for your line is - 2500 kbps
    DSL connection rate: 448 kbps(UP-STREAM)  3136 kbps(DOWN-STREAM)
    Actual IP throughput achieved during the test was - 1467 kbps
:(


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: godsell4 on December 13, 2006, 09:25:33 am

Just hopped from ptn-ag2 over to pte-ag2 and now my BBmax speeds are at 2.3Mb compared to being stuck at 1.5Mb  ;)

SW.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: neilarmstrong on December 13, 2006, 10:44:48 am
I have to agree, there has been a massive noticeable improvement in speeds since late last week, certianly tonight has been a pleasure to be able to vpn into multiple servers and run programs / files without delay.

Glad you are seeing improvements - we're by no means finished improving things but Business and Premier http will have seen the most benefits so far. There are certainly fewer people in the forums complaining, but there are still several lighter users complaining quite rightly about P2P speeds. Hence there is still much work to do.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: portmoak on December 13, 2006, 10:56:58 am
My speeds last night around 7-8pm were fine on PAYG. Around 3-3.5Mbit and ftping at around 350kB on a 5Mb connection. Browsing was nice and speedy.

The only odd thing I noticed was that I could only establish 2 connections to the server I was using instead of the usual 4 which slowed things a little overall but still, things have been much better the last few days.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: neilarmstrong on December 13, 2006, 11:04:31 am
The only odd thing I noticed was that I could only establish 2 connections to the server I was using instead of the usual 4 which slowed things a little overall but still, things have been much better the last few days.

Weird, I don't think that's anything to do with our platform though. Glad you are seeing improvements generally.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: godsell4 on December 13, 2006, 09:00:31 pm


Another day :(


PAYG £20/month

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.227.75]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     2 ms     3 ms     1 ms  192.168.0.55
  2    39 ms    31 ms    29 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.72]
  3    35 ms    26 ms    26 ms  ge0-0-0-504.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.89]
  4    27 ms    29 ms    34 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    29 ms    29 ms    32 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    34 ms    34 ms    32 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    29 ms    34 ms    30 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    31 ms    34 ms    35 ms  212.58.238.161
  9    32 ms    32 ms    35 ms  www5.rbsov.bbc.co.uk [212.58.227.75]

.iso file downloads at 60KB/s, 80KB/s and 120KB/s from mirrorservice.org

speedtest.net varies from 800kb/s to 1600kb/s

SW.

edit:
Jump over to pte-ag1 and speeds are all in excess of 1.2Mb for .iso downloads. Which appears to have the lowest packet drop rate at the moment.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: fenlandbroadband on December 14, 2006, 02:16:29 pm
There are certainly fewer people in the forums complaining, but there are still several lighter users complaining quite rightly about P2P speeds. Hence there is still much work to do.

And of course, some people just realise they're wasting their time, and have requested their MAC code.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: chesterfield on December 14, 2006, 03:59:19 pm
Yup.

Within the limits for BB+ last month, and well within the limits this month - but Im seeing 1/10th of BT speedtest speed when connected to PN at peak time.

No sensible answers, other than perhaps I'm within the top 6% of BB+ users (but still within the published limits).  Ive had enough of wasting my time, its clear that PN cant simply accept the fact that the profit levels of yester year are simply not obtainable in the current market, but that doesnt stop them squashing, squeezing and shaping the network to death in a futile attempt to maintain them.

Its greed pure and simple, and the fact that decision to sell was so rapid shows exactly how "sustainable" the directors feel their position to be.

Goodbye to the friends I made on Plusnet, and Good Luck to the hard working support agents who have helped in the past, you deserve a medal for putting up with the crap that has been thrown your way, mostly created by the decisions of those above.

But as said above, some of us have given up looking for answers or taking part in any threads that give the impression PN are actually intending to fix the situation with anything other than another round of ellacoya tweaking.  Its time to bring the curtain down for my connection.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jheffer on December 14, 2006, 09:21:12 pm
Tonights data

 PAYG    ptn-ag2. exchange is green all other data as previous posts.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/66152281.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.85]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.7.1
  2    15 ms    14 ms    14 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.53]
  3    11 ms    12 ms    15 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.105]
  4    14 ms    14 ms    12 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    15 ms    12 ms    14 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    12 ms    12 ms    12 ms  212.58.238.149
  7    11 ms    12 ms    12 ms  www40.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.85]

Trace complete.

Following download speeds measured using netmeter

FTP download AVG 192kB/s Max 423.2kB/s
HTTP download (Apple film trailers) AVG 316kB/s Max 866kB/s
Easynews 12MB file AVG 107kB/s Max 262kB/s

 

JohnH



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jelv1 on December 14, 2006, 09:25:48 pm
PAYG is NOT working properly

I have excellent line stats, 8000 profile and stable rate. Daytime speed tests are almost invariably around 5500 to 6000. Gateway ptn-ag2. My exchange is Green.

Tonight I have been finding it very stuttering.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/66163023.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/66163352.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Just look at how much variation there is in the results!

Interview graph below - again look at how spiky this is!

I've been trying to use PCAnywhere over a VPN link with some difficulty, at times you can see it paint the screen in blocks. Pings to a server on the remote network earlier this evening went from the 12-20 ms they are normally to 800 to 1200ms. Needless to say the VPN connection has timed out and dropped a few times.

Just when is this crap going to be fixed? You lied when you said PAYG was sorted. :x


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: godsell4 on December 14, 2006, 10:06:04 pm

Indeed large variabilty on PAYG.

These 3 tests in short space of time from each other. Via PTE-AG1.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/66177000.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/66175538.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/66174934.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jelv1 on December 14, 2006, 10:47:42 pm
... and the ***!!** has just dropped the VPN again!


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jelv1 on December 14, 2006, 10:50:51 pm
PAYG users please vote in the poll here (http://portal.plus.net/central/forums/viewtopic.php?t=51937)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: portmoak on December 14, 2006, 10:55:02 pm
PAYG users please vote in the poll here (http://portal.plus.net/central/forums/viewtopic.php?t=51937)

Well I would do, but of course it's restricted to PlusNet accounts, not lesser mortals such as Force9......

(My connection is going well this evening BTW - around 4.1Mb on a 5Mb connection and actually it has been going well since the weekend).


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Tam on December 14, 2006, 11:11:40 pm
... and the ***!!** has just dropped the VPN again!

Now you know what it felt like as a Business connection trying to VPN places! all for £50 a month!


Jelv, leave .. its honestly the easiest way!


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Les on December 14, 2006, 11:27:14 pm
PAYG users please vote in the poll here (http://portal.plus.net/central/forums/viewtopic.php?t=51937)

Would love to vote, but being a mere Metronet PAYG user, I am only a guest in the PN forum.

My vote would have been option 2 - slightly better than before.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jelv1 on December 14, 2006, 11:32:19 pm
Apologies for the poll being on Plusnet, but we can't set up polls here. Perhaps PUG will set up a series of polls for the different account types.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: portmoak on December 15, 2006, 07:57:05 am
PAYG on Force9. FWIW I would have voted 2.

My connection is not as good as it used to be but much better than earlier in the month. The latency isn't great, but I'm not a gamer.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: wildmind on December 15, 2006, 08:03:34 am
Can we start a new topic on the polls - and I should think we will be able to sort something out ;)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: neilarmstrong on December 15, 2006, 09:03:24 am
PAYG is NOT working properly

Damn. I will ask the networks team to comment on what happened to PAYG last night and look into your line specifically. We have the meeting at 11am today.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: neilarmstrong on December 15, 2006, 05:56:12 pm
We have the meeting at 11am today.

We've not identified anything specific yet with PAYG customers and the thread in the portal forum is far from conclusive - however we're still looking into this (possibly some profile corruption) and I've asked the networks team to update this thread further. How are PAYG speeds tonight?


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Les on December 15, 2006, 06:27:21 pm
Metronet PAYG Option 2

Still very hit or miss with me. Although much improved from last week (or so), I still get a lot of stalls/pauses on normally fast sites (BBC, Plusnet ..... etc) when browsing. HTTP downloads seem OK though.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: godsell4 on December 15, 2006, 06:46:23 pm

So far so good, I am not getting the < 100kb/s speedtest.net results thats for sure, now downloading some files from mirror sites is showing varying speeds, e.g. between 200-240kB/s, whihc is OK by me I am not expecting to max my connection at anytime of the day at will. Though we are not quite into the peak of peaktime just yet.

I had a call from pwebb, a member of PN staff this evening which was good as we checked if teh traffic classification was what we expected as I did some basic things via my laptop. It all checked out just fine.

The we started my PS2 and we found my gaming traffic was marked as Gold not Titanium. :(

SW.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Oldjim on December 15, 2006, 06:53:26 pm
PAYG 3000kbps stable rate PTN-AG1 - no wonder things are slow
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/66396314.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/66396682.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: portmoak on December 15, 2006, 07:01:32 pm
PAYG - it's 7pm which I guess is pretty well in the middle of the peak time.

You are currently connected to the "Telehouse North, Juniper 1" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as ptn-ag1.

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  mygateway.ADAMSON [192.168.1.1]
  2    44 ms    76 ms    43 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.123]
  3    42 ms    42 ms    43 ms  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.17]
  4    42 ms    42 ms    42 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    43 ms    43 ms    43 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    44 ms    43 ms    43 ms  212.58.238.149
  7    42 ms    42 ms    41 ms  212.58.238.36
  8    43 ms    44 ms    42 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
  9    44 ms    43 ms    43 ms  bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/66398374.png)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/66399200.png)

Can't be bothered with the download but this is pretty reasonable I think. Slightly poor latency but doesn't bother me much. My line has a long-term stable sync rate of >5Mb.

 :-) :-) :-)

<edit> to add a tracert and a smile or 2 </edit>


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: hitachi on December 15, 2006, 07:15:47 pm
Premier on ptn-ag2


(http://www.speedtest.net/result/66401039.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/66400872.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)


Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    44 ms    99 ms    99 ms  dsldevice.lan [192.168.1.254]
  2    27 ms    14 ms    26 ms  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.53]
  3    19 ms    13 ms    15 ms  ge1-0-0-204.ptn-gw1.plus.net [84.92.3.105]
  4    15 ms    14 ms    17 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  5    15 ms    16 ms    15 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  6    17 ms    14 ms    14 ms  212.58.238.149
  7    16 ms    16 ms    14 ms  212.58.238.36
  8    19 ms    15 ms    16 ms  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.254]
  9    16 ms    18 ms    15 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

Trace complete.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: jelv1 on December 15, 2006, 08:48:41 pm
This evening I saw performance take a sudden dive at 20:06. Speedtest.net dropped right off to about 2800. The graph while downloading the interview was really rough. Shortly after 20:30 speeds took off again, speedtest.net went up to nearly 6200, the interview graph was a lot smoother with the file coming down at over 700KB average.

As it happens I was in the middle of a ping plotter trace when the slowdown started which I have posted here (http://usergroup.plus.net/forum/index.php/topic,3999.msg49823.html#msg49823).

This is the relevant graph showing the dramatic change:
(http://usergroup.plus.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3999.0;attach=525;image)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: davinton on December 16, 2006, 04:42:26 pm
I am a newcomer to all this but as I am getting such low speeds I would like to participate. Here are the results of the speedtest, taken around 16.00 on Saturday 16 December:

http://www.speedtest.net/result/66607720.png

http://www.speedtest.net/result/66608077.png

I am on Broadband Premier Option 1 and the line speed is usually given as 2.6 to 3 MBPS. The odd day my d/l speed jumps to around 2 MBPS but is usually around 1.2, marginally better before this wondrous *MB package was introduced. Please advise if further information is required

David Cotterill


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Oldjim on December 16, 2006, 04:51:35 pm
Something a bit odd as I am on a 3000kbps stable rate
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/66615151.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: zoobotanica on December 17, 2006, 12:02:00 pm
Hi - I am new here but wanted to add my results to try and help sort out the problems!

Tests taken 11.40 am Sunday 17th Dec. Product is PlusNet Broadband Premier Option 1.
I am currently connected to the "Telehouse North, Juniper 1" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as ptn-ag1.

traceroute to bbc.co.uk (212.58.228.155), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  speedtouch (192.168.1.254)  177.532 ms  166.340 ms  95.701 ms
 2  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net (195.166.128.123)  37.403 ms  27.606 ms  26.899 ms
 3  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw2.plus.net (84.92.3.18)  73.409 ms  59.416 ms  23.654 ms
 4  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net (212.159.4.6)  22.788 ms  23.982 ms  23.806 ms
 5  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk (212.58.239.25)  35.238 ms  173.699 ms  204.954 ms
 6  212.58.238.133 (212.58.238.133)  22.554 ms  31.599 ms  23.628 ms
 7  212.58.238.36 (212.58.238.36)  22.026 ms  24.288 ms  23.531 ms
 8  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk (212.58.239.254)  26.334 ms  24.915 ms  23.580 ms
 9  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk (212.58.228.155)  40.632 ms  25.297 ms  25.536 ms

Router stats:
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]:   704 / 2.304
Modulation:   G.992.1 Annex A
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]:   31,5 / 59,0
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]:   7,0 / 10,5

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/66781845.png)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/66781717.png)

Deb.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: neilarmstrong on December 18, 2006, 05:37:07 pm
Thanks guys, this is all useful - particularly as tonight will be the busy one so we're watching very closely.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: zoobotanica on December 18, 2006, 05:49:27 pm
Here's another set of results - same setup, different time of day:

Time - 5.48pm Mon 18th Dec, Plusnet Broadband Premier option 1

You are currently connected to the "Telehouse East, Juniper 3" gateway. This gateway is sometimes known as pte-ag1.

traceroute to bbc.co.uk (212.58.228.155), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  speedtouch (192.168.1.254)  42.806 ms  197.101 ms  197.333 ms
 2  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net (195.166.128.64)  21.803 ms  23.173 ms  23.854 ms
 3  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net (84.92.4.2)  23.117 ms  20.976 ms  22.934 ms
 4  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net (212.159.4.1)  22.092 ms  23.307 ms  25.017 ms
 5  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net (212.159.4.6)  22.983 ms  23.606 ms  24.565 ms
 6  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk (212.58.239.25)  23.213 ms  23.246 ms  31.163 ms
 7  212.58.238.133 (212.58.238.133)  22.732 ms  22.006 ms  23.381 ms
 8  212.58.238.36 (212.58.238.36)  24.862 ms  63.768 ms  21.211 ms
 9  pos6-0.rt1.mh.bbc.co.uk (212.58.239.254)  23.801 ms  33.889 ms  30.684 ms
10  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk (212.58.228.155)  23.864 ms  23.240 ms  24.099 ms

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/67049234.png)
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/67048998.png)

Router Information
Modulation:   G.992.1 Annex A
Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]:   736 / 2.528
Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]:   31,5 / 59,0
SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]:   6,0 / 8,0

Deb.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: dusty_bin on December 18, 2006, 09:15:11 pm
Well, it seems remarkably good tonight:

PAYG @ 21:07 today
6240 kb/s sync
5500 kb/s BRAS
Gateway lo0-plusnet.pte-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.72]

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/67103730.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/67104166.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

 1   <10 ms   <10 ms   <10 ms  my-router [192.168.1.1]
 2    33 ms    19 ms    16 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag2.plus.net [195.166.128.72]
 3    18 ms    14 ms    15 ms  ge0-0-0-504.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.90]
 4    16 ms    18 ms    19 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
 5    18 ms    19 ms    17 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
 6    16 ms    18 ms    17 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
 7    16 ms    17 ms    17 ms  212.58.238.149
 8    17 ms    16 ms    16 ms  212.58.238.161
 9    20 ms    15 ms    18 ms  www2.rbsov.bbc.co.uk [212.58.227.72]



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Oldjim on December 19, 2006, 09:25:19 pm
Just to throw in an oddball - speedtests OK at about 2800 kbps (3000 kbps stable rate) but just did a 20MB download and got speeds varying between 100-150kBps (yes kilobytes) from the Kaspersky Russia FTP site and am quite happy with that


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: Firejack on December 28, 2006, 10:56:26 pm
Did mean to do a full test on Christmas Day to show what speeds were like during the holidays. Only managed to fit one test in between the family. Yes yes I know I'm pretty crazy to be testing my broadband connection on Christmas  :wink:
(http://www.speedtest.net/result/68790785.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)
Thats my highest score ever :)

Anyhow hoping we haven't missed the chance to get some meaningful data for comparison against a normal busy week.

Time: 22:44
Product Premier Option 1
Gateway: pte-ag1
Code:
C:\Documents and Settings\Andrew>tracert www.bbc.co.uk

Tracing route to www.bbc.net.uk [212.58.224.126]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.2.70
  2    25 ms    27 ms    26 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    24 ms    26 ms    25 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw2.plus.net [84.92.4.2]
  4    26 ms    25 ms    24 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    26 ms    25 ms    25 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    26 ms    25 ms    26 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    28 ms    25 ms    25 ms  212.58.238.149
  8    27 ms    27 ms    28 ms  www26.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.224.126]

Trace complete.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/69599455.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/69599740.png) (http://www.speedtest.net)

Code:
Modem Status
  Connection Status Connected
  Upstream Rate (Kbps) 448
  Downstream Rate (Kbps) 3936
  US Margin 25
  DS Margin 10
  Modulation GDMT
  LOS Errors 0
  DS Line Attenuation 47
  US Line Attenuation 52
  Path Mode Interleaved

Exchange: Chester North (Red Status)



Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: micklittle on December 30, 2006, 12:51:01 am
 :x
Bad and Bad and Bad   wether peak or off peak  Still Bad
Nothing but Bad here at present


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: wildmind on December 30, 2006, 10:15:13 am
can you provide the results we have asked for? simply commenting that it's bad without any indication of what is bad or wether it's your line stats etc aint too useful ;)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: annie1 on January 07, 2007, 07:59:12 pm
OK - There are several threads floating around and I figured it would be good to try and compile a single list of peoples speeds during Peak hours and Off Peak as well.

Could I please ask that discussion about speeds continue in other threads but we simply report speed tests as detailed below in this one so that the network guys can review this and get a picture of what is happening.

For consistency in all results could we all post the following info:

1) The Time the tests were taken and the Product you are on.

2) The Gateway in use (this can be found by visiting http://usertools.plus.net/@gateway)

3) A tracert to bbc.co.uk

4) Speedtests taken from http://www.speedtest.net using the Derby and the London Servers (post the images using the links they provide)

5) Using either DUMeter or NetMeter (http://www.metal-machine.de/readerror/NetMeter_v0999beta2.exe) (setup exe linked) show the graph when downloading the PUG Al Wyse Interview (http://usergroup.plus.net/video/PUGInterviewWithAlWyse.wmv) (it's sat on our server and if we all download the same file it should give a consistent image - remember to clear your cache before downloading this if you have already watched it - which I'm sure you will have done ;))

6) Post Router stats / synch speed where possible!

7) Also post any other information that may be relevant.


For the sake of collating info - any posts off topic will be moved elsewhere. I just think that it will be good to get as many people to provide as much info as possible - all relating to the same set of tests.





19.54
PlusNet Broadband Premier Option 1 (Monthly Contract, No Modem)
Juniper 3
Trace Attached
http://www.speedtest.net/result/72323110.png

I have to say the speeds are bad compared with my alternative ISP (http://www.speedtest.net/result/72311520.png) taken just 30minutes earlier.

Regards
Annie


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: JBailey on January 10, 2007, 12:41:48 pm
Annie,

There's no way you can compare the service you are getting with us to your other service provider.  Are you using SDSL/LLU for your alternate?


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: annie1 on January 10, 2007, 05:44:26 pm
Annie,

There's no way you can compare the service you are getting with us to your other service provider.  Are you using SDSL/LLU for your alternate?

James

My alternative is a 2Meg line via WiMax (an antenna on the roof) whereas my PlusNet connection is supposedly 7.6Meg.   

I tend to use my WiMax connection with the laptop(s), when my university based kids are home they use this connection as its via a router.   

I'm interested to know why you think I can't compare the two?

Annie


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: JBailey on January 11, 2007, 02:28:19 pm
Annie,

Because it's not an IPStream service. It's a completely different type of internet connection.


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: tangey on January 15, 2007, 08:25:36 pm
Experiencing terrible thruput recently.


time of tests 19:55 -> 20:05 approx 15 January 07

sync speed
7136 down 448 up interleaving is on
MSR=6000

gateway = pte-ag1

Tracert to bbc.co.uk
Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    16 ms    99 ms    99 ms  dsldevice.lan [192.168.1.254]
  2    49 ms    52 ms    53 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.128.64]
  3    50 ms    48 ms    48 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.1]
  4    50 ms    51 ms    49 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1]
  5    51 ms    53 ms    49 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    52 ms    51 ms    50 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    49 ms    49 ms    49 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    50 ms    49 ms    48 ms  212.58.238.33
  9    52 ms    51 ms    50 ms  pos6-0.rt0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.30]
 10    51 ms    50 ms    51 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/74885964.png)


downloading the interview file

(http://www.mccomp.plus.com/Image1.jpg)





Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: tangey on January 16, 2007, 12:07:06 am
....and yet a couple of hours later, I noticed a significant speed up.  I now tested it 4 hours after my previous test I find

(time of testing....around 11:50pm  15th Jan)

Tracing route to bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     8 ms    99 ms    99 ms  dsldevice.lan [192.168.1.254]
  2   355 ms   194 ms    49 ms  lo0-plusnet.pte-ag1.plus.net [195.166.12
  3    49 ms    48 ms    49 ms  ge0-0-0-403.pte-gw1.plus.net [84.92.4.1]
  4    49 ms    49 ms    49 ms  ge0-0-0-22.ptn-gw1.plus.net [212.159.4.1
  5    50 ms    50 ms    48 ms  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net [212.159.4.6]
  6    49 ms    49 ms    50 ms  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.25]
  7    49 ms    49 ms    50 ms  212.58.238.133
  8    49 ms    49 ms    49 ms  212.58.238.33
  9    51 ms    49 ms    50 ms  pos6-0.rt0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.30]
 10    50 ms    49 ms    51 ms  virtual0.mh.bbc.co.uk [212.58.228.155]

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/74983790.png)

and the downloading file now flies down....
(http://www.mccomp.plus.com/Image2.jpg)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: tangey on January 16, 2007, 09:08:38 pm
Is this thread still active, or were my two speedtest posts yesterday just me wasting my time ? If its not serving any further purpose, just remove it.  I would like some comments from someone in the know, if the difference in speeds and response between my 8pm tests (when the connection felt slower than my old ISDN line) to 12pm (which felt fine) are not the "expected" norm.  as of 8:30pm this evening, I fine my connection is like treacle, and yet my modem etc indicates everything is as before.  usertools exchange checker shows my exhange as green. Besides the speed difference, the one thing that stands out for me is that the ping time stated by the speedtest.net site is 3 times slower at bad times. Heres another test done just now, and again ping time is in the 150ms range.

(http://www.speedtest.net/result/75277042.png)


Title: Re: Peak and Off Peak Speeds - Post HERE!
Post by: fredor on February 04, 2007, 07:36:27 pm
Premium Account
19:20 4th Feb 2007
Line stats
Code:
Mode:                   G.DMT
Channel:                Interleave
Trellis:                ON
Line Status:            No Defect
Training Status:        Showtime
                Down            Up
SNR (dB):       16.6            11.0
Attn(dB):       15.5            20.5
Pwr(dBm):       18.4            12.3
Max(Kbps):      2784            768
Rate (Kbps):    2496            448
traceroute
Code:
traceroute to www7.rbsov.bbc.co.uk (212.58.227.77), 30 hops max, 46 byte packets
 1  192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1)  1.478 ms  0.480 ms  0.417 ms
 2  lo0-plusnet.ptn-ag1.plus.net (195.166.128.123)  42.003 ms  44.106 ms  39.869 ms
 3  ge0-0-0-103.ptn-gw1.plus.net (84.92.3.17)  43.162 ms  44.812 ms  43.031 ms
 4  gi1-1-22.ptn-gw5.plus.net (212.159.4.6)  41.953 ms  42.144 ms  41.866 ms
 5  rt0.thdo.bbc.co.uk (212.58.239.25)  39.980 ms  41.137 ms  41.827 ms
 6  212.58.238.149 (212.58.238.149)  40.943 ms  41.146 ms  40.896 ms
 7  212.58.238.161 (212.58.238.161)  41.152 ms  43.159 ms  39.876 ms
 8  www7.rbsov.bbc.co.uk (212.58.227.77)  42.125 ms  40.168 ms  40.824 ms

http://speedtest.net/result/82299739.png[/img]]
(http://speedtest.net/result/82299739.png)
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I have been waiting for nearly 2 weeks to have interleaving turned off but so far PN have not managed it !!