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« on: October 23, 2006, 05:11:59 pm » |
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As I am new here I am not sure if I have put this in the right place. I have been on the Plus Net website and read about Broadband Max but I am a little concerned about whether I should change. My history is that, despite two attempts, in the past to upgrade from 512 to 1mb I have had to downgrade on both occasions in order to get a consistent connection.What I don't want to do is ask for the upgrade and find I experience the same problems. If I have understood correctly the Max system seems to regulate the speed automatically so I might not experience my previous problems. Any input would be welcome.
I live in Milton Keynes and connect via the Bradwell Abbey exchange,
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David
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neilarmstrong
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2006, 05:34:45 pm » |
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Some customers have seen higher than 500K speeds after going to max. It has only happened to a small percentage of customers in your position, but some find the line gets worse on Max than it is now. If you can't get 1Mb you probably won't see a *big* speed increase on Max and you may well get drop outs / instability. There's a chance you'd go through a load of grief and really not end up better off. I wouldn't upgrade in your position to be honest. My line got maxed in the last batch about 2 weeks ago. Stability has been good, speed has fluctuated between 1.6 and 4.6Mb. Seems to have settled down at about 3.6Mb. You makes your choice you takes your chances  |
Neil Armstrong
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Oldjim
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2006, 05:36:21 pm » |
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As the available stable rates are either half meg or 1 meg and you weren't stable at 1 meg then I wouldn't touch Max unless you can improve your snr/stability.
If you want to investigate improving your setup the first thing you need is a modem/router which gives the attenuation and margin figures and then try connecting directly to your master socket (behind the removable lower faceplate)
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Jim PlusNet PAYG RIN (no longer)
Now changed to BBYW Option 2 and seeing what difference it makes
Wish I had changed earlier as I have seen very little difference
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Tam
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100Mb via Enta.net :D
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2006, 06:40:36 pm » |
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As I am new here I am not sure if I have put this in the right place. I have been on the Plus Net website and read about Broadband Max but I am a little concerned about whether I should change. My history is that, despite two attempts, in the past to upgrade from 512 to 1mb I have had to downgrade on both occasions in order to get a consistent connection.What I don't want to do is ask for the upgrade and find I experience the same problems. If I have understood correctly the Max system seems to regulate the speed automatically so I might not experience my previous problems. Any input would be welcome.
I live in Milton Keynes and connect via the Bradwell Abbey exchange,
Thanks
David
DONT touch it. Seriously - BBmax pushes your line to the limit - and then sometimes beyond it (hence all the faults) - If you are already getting issues at 1mb - dont go max. Especially in Bradwell - as all the cables are aluminium round there. |
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mr_chris
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2006, 06:59:02 pm » |
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You might get 700k or so and be perfectly stable...
OR.... you might constantly lose sync and have a total nightmare.
Either way, it's not really worth the risk if your 512k connection is working fine. If fixed 1Mb wasn't stable, then Max won't be able to hold onto 1Mb speeds.
Unless you really really want the extra upload speed (448k which equates to a real-world of about 50K/sec), I'd advise you stick with what you've got - as you probably will have problems with Max.
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billbow
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2006, 10:43:12 pm » |
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Would you see any real benefit in an increase in download speed any way. The speed of your connection these days is as much governed by the site your connected to as anything else.
Just look how slow the portals can be.
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klyne
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2006, 07:26:55 pm » |
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Thanks ever one for your replies, most informative. It seems I am destined to stay at 512, but on the other hand thats better than dial up!! Just shows hoe short our memories are. My youngest son who lives much nearer to the Bradwell Abbey exchange is getting nearer 2 mb. Now the 64000 dollar question should my next move be to opt out? I suspect the answer is yes!
David
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Kritifile
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2006, 06:31:22 am » |
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Just an afterthought.
All of the UK should be swapped to 21CN by the end of 2011.
In effect this seems to be ADSL2+, no more fixed products then presumably, using an IP network for both phone and bb.
If you don't live in Cardiff you'll have to wait for it, but it may give you better speeds when it arrives, depending on the distance from your exchange, and whether or not BT does anything with the 'last mile' (remote dslams in street cabs etc?)
My 21CN changeover date is Q2 2009, for phone at least. Large towns and cities will have bb changed first, the rest of the country will have their phones swapped to IP before bb. It seems that the large population centres have a date in 2011, so I assume they'll also have a bb change before a phone one.
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bob_cat
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2006, 04:04:06 pm » |
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Well, when BT wired up much of Milton Keynes and a number of other new estates they used much cheaper cable than they had ever done. This was fine for voice and modems, but now we are pushed to supply the high frequencies for DSL.
On the subject of 21CN, there was talk recently of an estate which had suffered the low grade cable problem and BT were doing something about it, except instead of running fiber to the cabinets and installing mini-DSLAMs (which has shown to be viable) I believe they decided to just lay new cable. Doh! A missed chance there guys and dolls!
It would be nice if BT started replacing all their street boxes with mini-exchanges, although I don't know what that would do to the LLU market.
Bob
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MauriceB
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2006, 08:42:21 pm » |
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Well, when BT wired up much of Milton Keynes and a number of other new estates they used much cheaper cable than they had ever done. This was fine for voice and modems, but now we are pushed to supply the high frequencies for DSL.
Are you mixing up the use of Aluminium cable in the 70's with the more recent TPON networks deployed for large new developments since about 1985? TPON (Telephony Passive Optical Network) is a simple optical based network which is optimised for Telephony traffic. Later developments into FTTC (Fibre To The Curb) using later extensions to the technology were to be trialled (have been?) - but xDSL using the existing copper pairs available to most of the population got in the way. Easy profit? 21CN will see much of this technology back in focus but it will cost?  ? Maurice |
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bob_cat
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2006, 10:15:50 pm » |
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Ah yes, TPON. Thanks.
A shame they didn't put DSLAMs in the roadside cabinets and instead chose to re-lay new copper into those estates.
Bob
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tallcal
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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2006, 06:20:43 pm » |
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FTTC - Fiber To The Cabinet :mrgreen:
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